got some devastating news while playing footie yesterday my mates father came down the pitches to inform us that another very good friend of ours had took his own life on saturday night or sunday morning a lot of mixed emotions after the game and in the pub he was 27 with great looking bird great job and always happy had a boy of 7 with a previous bird but the lad stayed at his 4 nights of the week plus a wee girl aged 3 with his current one. I had my wee chaps footie in the morning before mine and was looking out for my mate as our two play in the same team but didnt appear just thought with it being easter he might have been doing summit else. We were even talking about going up and doing our survival together just the other week just cant get my head round it where is peoples opinion on suicide a brave act or the act of a coward after what your leaving behind esp at such a young age dont like to pass judgement as a bit to close to home .
Hope this thread does not take a nasty turn with people's opinions possibly being strong if it's an emotive subject for them but in no way would I ever judge anybody or label them a coward for taking their own life, the ultimate last resort for somebody who was obviously very unwell and couldn't find another way out. So sad to hear of things like this even though I never knew the person - may your friend rest in peace Lee.
I think Im clever but not clever enough to play with the proper lads, not got the brain span to run with decent folk but i keep trying and trying. shame my prospects are shit and I feel low about myself. I will find my own way one day.
Very sorry to hear mate, heart goes out for you. Dunno how people can brandish them a coward, not as if they'd know what they're going through and if it's the easiest thing to do for them then so be it..
Sorry to hear the news mate My School friend took his own life a few years ago and he had two kids. Long story short he owed the wrong people money and was attacked/stabbed while getting into his car. he survived luckily but 2 weeks later he hung himself. He was no coward, it was the cunts that stabbed him that caused it and it just got all too much for him.
Quote by RtcHope this thread does not take a nasty turn with people's opinions possibly being strong if it's an emotive subject for them but in no way would I ever judge anybody or label them a coward for taking their own life, the ultimate last resort for somebody who was obviously very unwell and couldn't find another way out. So sad to hear of things like this even though I never knew the person - may your friend rest in peace Lee.
This, an utterly tragic thing to happen...
I have never felt this way and don't ever want to feel like it, a fuckin awful thing to go through!
I dont think suicide is cowardly, as someone has to be in a very dark place to kill themselves.Having a friend who had to cut his son down when he found him hanging in the garage, I know the devastation it can bring to a family, and how it will haunt them forever, but I dont think the person committing the act is in the right mind to consider anyone else but themselves..
Poor sods who are in a dark place through circumstance or brain chemistry and kill themselves deserve every sympathy. Paedos and others who kill themselves when their evil is discovered to avoid shame and justice are cowards.
Friend of mind killed herself recently because her boyfriend (who was a narcissistic twat IMO) dumped her a year before and she never got over it.
Nobody saw it coming and it was truly heartbreaking to lose her, such a bubbly, fun girl. The sort who's always a delight to be with.
It's left a lot of pain behind but I don't see it as a coward's way out at all. She must have been in a very dark place to throw her life away as she did.
cheers for the comments lads wasnt trying to start a debate or shite like that was just after hearing some of my mates opinions wondered what other people thought in no way think the wee chap was a coward just cant get my head round what has happened . I know everyone says the least person you would expect but he really was just goes to show you never really know whats on peoples minds .
Christ thats tough , no-one knows what is really going through their mind at the time. Agree with everyone else's comments, nothing to do with being a coward. RIP to your friend
Alot know my thoughts on this , I'm not going to preach . At least your mate is away from the most extra ordinary demons I would never wish anyone to have to even contemplate and he must of had. The lads at rest now and all is calm , god bless him , his family and all his friends . Its a terrible thing for all involved. Anyone that doesnt understand is a very lucky person and should be greatful because these thoughts and feelings just dont go away. x.
if it makes you or anyone else feel better , the catholic church no longer frown on suicide as cowdice (no I'm not Catholic.)
"I live for myself and answer to no one." ~ Steve McQueen. " I wear what I like and I like what I wear." ~ Adam. " It's always been just part of the culture. Growing up, for most working-class kids, is all about football, music and clothes. You might not have much money, but whatever you have got, you're going to look good." ~ Weller.
Been through this with the wife , she was heavily depressed and very close to the edge, caught her with a load of tablets that would have finished her, depression is a very serious illness but can be very hard to spot , i didnt, Firstly i would offer as much help as possible to his children , then i would read up about depression and try and understand what was going on, then you can settle this in your own head , Suicide is neither brave or cowardice , it is when someone has nowhere else to go, Before i understood it my stance was " how could he do that to his kids let alone everyone else" Now i understand the illness i feel a lot different, R.i.p. and send my wishes on Matt
Proberbly that its more documented recently, when i think back theres been a fair bit of it around growing up. Through parents freinds then onto kids in school, then (usually the last person you would expect) chucking in the towel as time goes by. We definatly cant judge these people unless weve been there our selves (failed/saved) and even then i doubt youed ever be able to explain even to yourself. Sorry to hear about your freind.
Quote by RtcHope this thread does not take a nasty turn with people's opinions possibly being strong if it's an emotive subject for them but in no way would I ever judge anybody or label them a coward for taking their own life, the ultimate last resort for somebody who was obviously very unwell and couldn't find another way out. So sad to hear of things like this even though I never knew the person - may your friend rest in peace Lee.
Couldn't have said it better.
Lee, really sorry pal. Difficult to reconcile Tbh. I lost a mate at 13, hanged himself over a girl ffs....rip your mate. I'd never judge anyone as haven't been there myself.I just thinks its a tragedy all round.
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Theres no two ways about it.....suicide imo is a very selfish act........the people who are left behind suffer.....now im not saying this means the person who kills themselves is essentially a bad person...they may well be very ill...depression,,mental health issues etc etc...but my opinion is pretty set...its selfish.
Sad news indeed .... no real right or wrongs here .... its certainly a very difficult situation to go thru ... I have been thru this with the loss of a close mate, whose wife was pregnant at the time ....
On one hand, probably with age, I have reached the perspective that if people really feel that unhappy that they somehow feel they would be better off elsewhere ... than i can try and understand that position ....
On the other hand, it is such a difficult thing to deal with , for family and close friends for the rest of their lives ....
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if somebody takes there own life it is not a SELF ish act. How can it be , they are taking away the most important value to themself........life. to attempt or commit you are selfless , you cannot hear or feel what others tell you , you feel worthless , a hindrence , the shit off everybodys shoes , lower form of life than a paedo . And nobody can talk you around. Think about the worst thing that could happen to you in your life , really deep till you get that knot churning in your stomach till you feel nauseous , a defence mechanism will kick in and kick these feelings out and you feel relief.people with suicidal tendencies cannot get these thoughts out of therir sickend head a sefless act , trying to stop everybody seeing this worthless piece of crap dragg all they love down with them , if they are gone everyone else will carry on without them. really hope nobody on here has to go through such a final denominator of life , THE END .nothing no more , no pain , no guilt , no stress , nop paranoia , no voices ............ all gone. selfless not selfish.
"I live for myself and answer to no one." ~ Steve McQueen. " I wear what I like and I like what I wear." ~ Adam. " It's always been just part of the culture. Growing up, for most working-class kids, is all about football, music and clothes. You might not have much money, but whatever you have got, you're going to look good." ~ Weller.
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