Just so you know, it wasn't a dig at you at all. Just funny as we do own some seriously expensive clothing.

[quote="Esher"]Just so you know, it wasn't a dig at you at all. Just funny as we do own some seriously expensive clothing.[/quote]

Did'nt take it as a dig at all.

Cocaine has to come into it , every man and his dog is serving it up now,when I was 18/19 all you hope for was a bit of leb or black,now the mix of coke & booze is lethal , the kids think they are invincible

internet , fucking computer games, lack of family values , in saying that a family consists of two parents contributing tae the weans up-bringing ,, i believe in freedom of speech , loved hip hop as a younger individual ,, but blah blah this and booyaa that , when i was a wean , if i was bad all my mother had tae say is IM TELLING YOUR FATHER ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO , NO PLEASE DONT TELL MY DAD .. id expect 99% of these wee wanks would answer that with , WHO THE FUCKS MA DA BITCH

The bizarre thing in the greater Toronto area is that murders and serious assaults have been declining steadily for the last number of years. That said the % of those crimes that are gun related, and mostly perpatrated with guns smuggled up from the US makes up a greater portion of the overall violent crime, which is almost always targeted as opposed to random. This gets a tonne of media coverage. Therefore Toronto is a safer city than it was 15 years ago, but seems more violent.

Blame us jeff, thanks :-)

It's largely an issue of respect, but it definitely falls deeper into a matter of self interest.

The combination of generally rising expectations of quality of living, instant sensory gratification, and global communication has lead to a rapid decline in those things that have made humanity human - listening, and waiting.

We, as one society, continue to expect more for ourselves, and for less. There is a marked diminishing marginal utilization for interpersonal communication; we will speak our piece, in our own interest, and expect both immediate compliance, and action. While it is a mark of our development, it is also becoming the hallmark of our culture: my time is valuable, and I can't improve my stature if I pause to hear your plight.

As per Fight Club "instead of listening, people are just waiting for their turn to talk," and it rings true. It goes hand in hand with the entitlement of the middle class; it has ceased to be a working class, [b]earning[/b] their way up, and instead a hood-rich upper class, who [b]deserves[/b] the best. The simple substitution, in both thought and speech, of earn with deserve, speaks volumes.

These[i] little[/i] things lead to a society completely devoid of relationships - the seven deadly sins are merely a list of words to rhyme with. When children are raised too afraid to wave to a stranger, then grow into a teen too apathetic to speak to a grocer, how can they empathize with the world around them?

"and when no one ever smiles, or helps a stranger - is it any f*ckin wonder our societies in danger of collapse?"

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[quote="Mikey C"]It's largely an issue of respect, but it definitely falls deeper into a matter of self interest.

The combination of generally rising expectations of quality of living, instant sensory gratification, and global communication has lead to a rapid decline in those things that have made humanity human - listening, and waiting.

We, as one society, continue to expect more for ourselves, and for less. There is a marked diminishing marginal utilization for interpersonal communication; we will speak our piece, in our own interest, and expect both immediate compliance, and action. While it is a mark of our development, it is also becoming the hallmark of our culture: my time is valuable, and I can't improve my stature if I pause to hear your plight.

As per Fight Club "instead of listening, people are just waiting for their turn to talk," and it rings true. It goes hand in hand with the entitlement of the middle class; it has ceased to be a working class, [b]earning[/b] their way up, and instead a hood-rich upper class, who [b]deserves[/b] the best. The simple substitution, in both thought and speech, of earn with deserve, speaks volumes.

These[i] little[/i] things lead to a society completely devoid of relationships - the seven deadly sins are merely a list of words to rhyme with. When children are raised too afraid to wave to a stranger, then grow into a teen too apathetic to speak to a grocer, how can they empathize with the world around them?

"and when no one ever smiles, or helps a stranger - is it any f*ckin wonder our societies in danger of collapse?"

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Really good point

Leave it to the teacher to get all philisophicalized and shit :-)

Good shout mikey c.

Elliot Currie's writings on the market society are brilliant, and not that difficult to read. One of his good quotes:

"A full-blown market culture promotes crime in several ways: by holding out standars of economic status and consumption which increasing numbers of people cannot legitimately meet, and more subtly, by weakening other values more suportive of the intrinsic worth of human life and well-being and of the value of what we might call "craft", the value of creative work, of productive contribution, of a job well done."

[quote="Esher"]Leave it to the teacher to get all philisophicalized and shit :-)[/quote]

Leave it to Guidos and High Life to make me think about our downfall. ha.

Good post OffHand

[quote="Esher"]Blame us jeff, thanks :-)[/quote]

Naaaaaw, you guys might have the guns but its Canadians that bring them up north- this one can't be pinned soley on the US of A ;)

And TBH I think you were dead on in an earlier post, too, the notion of aquisition and disposability certainly creates this notion of a disposible culture- as you said ironic to post this on a board devoted to style, but that being said some of the fellas on these boards are very careful with the items they buy, buy second hand items and refurbish items through dyeing, etc, so maybe we aren't all that bad.

Don't know if people heard about VBS.tv's Rule Britannia series, one of the episodes last year, Swansea Love Story, got quite a lot of publicity.

Anyway the newest episode is called Teenage Riot, pretty interesting. About the student riots and all that. First episode:

http://www.vbs.tv/en-gb/watch/rule-brita...-riot-episode-1

The Swansea Love Story movie is definitely worth checking out.

At work on Saturday there was a girl wearing a mini skirt, heels........and a tag. She was with a couple of mates celebrating her 23rd birthday. I asked if she should be out and she said no, but as it was her birthday and she wasn't bothered. Asked how she got it - "Sticking up for a mate". She liked it in her words - "I've never pulled so many blokes since I've had me tag. They love it!". In all fairness and taking people as I find them, she seemed a nice girl. Didn't cause any trouble and came up and said she'd had a really good night and thanked me as no other pub would let her in due to her tag.

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At work on Saturday there was a girl wearing a mini skirt, heels........and a tag. She was with a couple of mates celebrating her 23rd birthday. I asked if she should be out and she said no, but as it was her birthday and she wasn't bothered. Asked how she got it - "Sticking up for a mate". She liked it in her words - "I've never pulled so many blokes since I've had me tag. They love it!". In all fairness and taking people as I find them, she seemed a nice girl. Didn't cause any trouble and came up and said she'd had a really good night and thanked me as no other pub would let her in due to her tag.

didnt you get a sly photo mate... that little sorry got me all excited.



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[quote="Thom Off_Hand"][quote="David.Watts"]
At work on Saturday there was a girl wearing a mini skirt, heels........and a tag. She was with a couple of mates celebrating her 23rd birthday. I asked if she should be out and she said no, but as it was her birthday and she wasn't bothered. Asked how she got it - "Sticking up for a mate". She liked it in her words - "I've never pulled so many blokes since I've had me tag. They love it!". In all fairness and taking people as I find them, she seemed a nice girl. Didn't cause any trouble and came up and said she'd had a really good night and thanked me as no other pub would let her in due to her tag.

didnt you get a sly photo mate... that little sorry got me all excited.

Hahahaha. I didn't. I'll try to if she visits again.



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This seems to be a society where people don't care about the real problems and real happenings to have passion for. They are more bothered about who is being kicked out of X Factor or which celebrity has been cheating on their wife (according to The Sun's front page of course).

When there's people starving around us and others without homes due to earthquakes, in this society we have people sending angry letters to ITV due to someone leaving X Factor.

I'm only 19, but this is an apathetic generation in my opinion. A generation dictated by a biased media who fill their heads with nonsense.

There are women starving themselves as they think they need to look stick thin like Kate Moss and other models who we are told we are supposed to idolise by the media. That is how far it has gone.

Political correctness has taken over aswell. A young child can be running round a shopping centre crying because he or she cannot find their parents. A man sees this and wants to help, but he feels that he can't because if he takes the hand of the young child, people will expect the worst. And the worst may happen for the man who only wanted to do the right thing and help, if he dares do this.

[quote="The Man With No Name"]This seems to be a society where people don't care about the real problems and real happenings to have passion for. They are more bothered about who is being kicked out of X Factor or which celebrity has been cheating on their wife (according to The Sun's front page of course).

When there's people starving around us and others without homes due to earthquakes, in this society we have people sending angry letters to ITV due to someone leaving X Factor.

I'm only 19, but this is an apathetic generation in my opinion. A generation dictated by a biased media who fill their heads with nonsense.

There are women starving themselves as they think they need to look stick thin like Kate Moss and other models who we are told we are supposed to idolise by the media. That is how far it has gone.

Political correctness has taken over aswell. A young child can be running round a shopping centre crying because he or she cannot find their parents. A man sees this and wants to help, but he feels that he can't because if he takes the hand of the young child, people will expect the worst. And the worst may happen for the man who only wanted to do the right thing and help, if he dares do this.[/quote]

A wise head on young shoulders.

[quote="The Man With No Name"] A generation dictated by a biased media who fill their heads with nonsense. [/quote]

I think the media, by nature, reflects a bias based on the surrounding culture - it is our generation that has stopped questioning, and looking for the source.