Sad that this has happened but it's been coming for a while. The Old Firm are getting totally out of hand, real action needs to be taken to sort out some of the underlying social/religious problems in Scotland or situations like this are going to get more and more common.
[quote="sauzee88"]Sad that this has happened but it's been coming for a while. The Old Firm are getting totally out of hand, real action needs to be taken to sort out some of the underlying social/religious problems in Scotland or situations like this are going to get more and more common.[/quote]
How can it be resolved though? Short of making them play behind closed doors I cant think of anything.
[quote="Horse & Hound"][quote="sauzee88"]Sad that this has happened but it's been coming for a while. The Old Firm are getting totally out of hand, real action needs to be taken to sort out some of the underlying social/religious problems in Scotland or situations like this are going to get more and more common.[/quote]
How can it be resolved though? Short of making them play behind closed doors I cant think of anything.[/quote]
It's about a lot more then football. The first thing should be fully integrated Scottish schools and ending ghettoised housing i.e. catholics and protestant estates. On the pitch there should be real fines/bans for sectarianism in the ground - any celts with IRA banners should be banned, the club should be fined and/or docked points and the same should apply to Rangers. The SFA has allowed the clubs to get away with murder for years.
[quote="sauzee88"][quote="Horse & Hound"][quote="sauzee88"]Sad that this has happened but it's been coming for a while. The Old Firm are getting totally out of hand, real action needs to be taken to sort out some of the underlying social/religious problems in Scotland or situations like this are going to get more and more common.[/quote]
How can it be resolved though? Short of making them play behind closed doors I cant think of anything.[/quote]
It's about a lot more then football. The first thing should be fully integrated Scottish schools and ending ghettoised housing i.e. catholics and protestant estates. On the pitch there should be real fines/bans for sectarianism in the ground - any celts with IRA banners should be banned, the club should be fined and/or docked points and the same should apply to Rangers. The SFA has allowed the clubs to get away with murder for years. [/quote] But some people want their children brought up within the Catholic faith and some dont.... i dont see how taking the choice away will help...what would help is to jail the twats who are caught chanting sectarian songs or shouting sectarian abuse...it probably wont eradicate it but its gonna make idiots think twice or at least give them a bit of time to think about their actions when theyre banged up..........theres no reason for this religious hatred to continue....it can all end within a generation...parents just need to stop passing on their religious hatred to their children....if i were to walk along the street shouting abuse at black guys and asians id soon be locked up....it should be the same for sectarian crimes.
[quote="sauzee88"][quote="Horse & Hound"][quote="sauzee88"]Sad that this has happened but it's been coming for a while. The Old Firm are getting totally out of hand, real action needs to be taken to sort out some of the underlying social/religious problems in Scotland or situations like this are going to get more and more common.[/quote]
How can it be resolved though? Short of making them play behind closed doors I cant think of anything.[/quote]
It's about a lot more then football. The first thing should be fully integrated Scottish schools and ending ghettoised housing i.e. catholics and protestant estates. On the pitch there should be real fines/bans for sectarianism in the ground - any celts with IRA banners should be banned, the club should be fined and/or docked points and the same should apply to Rangers. The SFA has allowed the clubs to get away with murder for years. [/quote] As much as I agree with ending the seperate schools in Glasgow I find it a bit harsh on the folk up my neck of the woods who send their kids to catholic schools with 0 problems resulting from it having this choice taken awa from them. It is not just about integration either. i work with some hardcore bigots from both sides of the old firm but they will quite happily sit and talk to each other. It is a complete mindset with these people. Making their kids go to a school that happens to have catholics iin it will not solve the problem nor will making them integrate in one community area. I agree totally about the banning and docking of points. The tannoys that are made at pittodrie every weekend saying this will happen are met with derision now. They should also be fined heavily up to the amount they have taken in in gate reciepts for a match day and forced to play behind closed doors. Hit them in the pocket and then the clubs will take action beyond the lip service they pay it. The edinburgh clubs cleaned up their act and it is about time that the old firm followed suit.
Oh and horse and hound thankfully most areas of Scotland and most people are pretty free from sectarianism.
I'm not really sure of all this pressure, I'm never gonna lose any of my old letters, 'Cause they'll stay with me, Until I can see that I'm no one
[quote="covwhite"]Hardly helping the stituation today was he Lennon? Fucking knob.[/quote]
not really!! if some fooker sent me a bomb special delivery i'd wind me fuckin neck a bit....that said id probably have been out and not been able to pick it up till tuesday!
I'm gonna have my say on this now and I dare say it won't be pretty and if it inflames feel free to lock the thread - I've said before what sets this board apart is the lack of bickering, especially on issues like this which have destroyed other forums.
I was tempted to write this earlier when I read a comment which said 'We are all Neil Lennon' and I thought to myself, well I'm not. Let's have this straight - the sending of parcel bombs, bullets etc to Lennon, Celtic players and Celtic minded people is the lowest of the low, it's sickening and it has no place in sport. The people who do this type of thing are psychos and sick in the head. It has no place in football. However, Celtic fans can't have it every which way - you can't complain about that and, like I've witnessed on various forums, refuse to condemn the murder of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
As for Lennon the individual - not withstanding the fact that what he's been subject to is repulsive (and don't forget that), I find him loathesome. He is right up there with your Ashley Coles, Rooneys, Joey Bartons, Terry's etc of this world. This is a fellah who has a very dodgy private life, or at least had, the fellah who would brag on the pitch about how wealthy he was and so on. Comments like when he was called an ugly twat responding with I'll still be a millionaire in the morning and numerous comments of that ilk. Various pieces of footage indulging in sectarianism, the type of stuff Celtic and Rangers are supposed to be trying to stamp out. But because British mainstream in gone so pc, Lennon is protected from receiving the same sort of negative press as Terry, Cole and Rooney. The mainstream are afraid to point out his nasty side because in a complete reversal Catholics nowadays are almost immune from criticism because you'll be called racist or sectarian if you dare question the integrity of someone like Lennon. I say this all as an Irish Catholic (lapsed Catholic and in all honesty, an aetheist).
Which leads me nicely onto my next point. I hate the way Celtic fans have almost hi-jacked the Irish tricolour. There's some sort of myth that everyone over here supports them and it's far from true. My local pub is a republican bar (although funnily enough it's also where a lots of English people living here have a drink) and there was more people watching the games on telly yesterday than the Old Firm match today and given today was Easter Sunday with all its historical connotations it was a poor show but only backs up my point. People over here who don't support Celtic are tired of the whole thing. Tired of 6,7,8 old firm games a season, tired of a support who wave our flag and are still stuck in a sectarian timewarp, just like their Rangers counterparts. Tired of all the nonsense associated with it. The Ireland that Celtic fans eulogise doesn't exist and in all reality never existed and the only place it exists is in their head. Leaving aside the '800 years of oppression' , we, as a people, have been royally shat on by our own ruling classes, our own institutions, we didn't need the British when we had the church who abused us for centuries, the ruling classes and all their corruption, the 'golden circle' of today that has led this country to ruination.
There is a romantic notion that exits about this country - mainly by people who weren't born here or live here. The reality is far from romantic. Just ask Neil Lennon.
Col, firstly this won't be locked as long as everyone keeps it as a decent discussion, we're all for everyone expressing their opinion and a healthy debate is what we like to see.
I am one of the people that has said 'we are all neil lennon'. As most on here know I am a die hard Celtic man and when I say that I mean it as a show of support towards our manager when he is literally fearing for his life. The fans are behind the man and that quote is just a way of showing that. I don't expect people that don't like him to start saying it, I know I wouldn't be going around saying 'we are all walter smith' if the roles were reversed. It's good to see Rangers lads on here against it though. A lot of respect to those men.
Fair enough you say that you don't like Lennon and you find comments he makes on the pitch disgusting. Have you not been on the park and had a dig at another player? This happens every single day up and down the country. It's a part of the game and is a bit of banter in my eyes.
Your point about the Ireland that Celtic fans believe exist I won't go into because that's a hundred percent true and like you said is the same on the other side of Glasgow, and Edinburgh for that matter.
What makes me laugh is how naive the authority's are to think all of west scotlands social problems can be eradicated by implementing a few changes at a football match. It's engrained in society, it's more complicated than that. If the SFA really want to clean up the games image or at least disguise it, then start questioning why celtic football club allow the green brigade to display anti-british and sectarian messages in both a verbal and physical form.
[quote="Whitey"] If the SFA really want to clean up the games image or at least disguise it, then start questioning why celtic football club allow the green brigade to display anti-british and sectarian messages in both a verbal and physical form. [/quote] I totally agree with your fisrst sentence but it does seem more prevelant at football. As for the second sentence fair enough I've seen the anti british stuff but I can't say I have ever seen them display a sectarian flag. As for the anti british stuff a lot of Ranmgers fans are as bad with their die hard pro british schtick. I actually had one of them come up to me and congratulate me for wearing a poppy to show my support for protestant soldiers! I was forced to give him a quick history lesson and call him an ignorant fud and politley asked him and his fellow rangers fans to stop hijacking the poppy appeal to score some fucking petty points against celtic. A section of both sets of fans need to drag their heads out of their arses and pick their knuckles off the floor but they won't going on past evidence.
I'm not really sure of all this pressure, I'm never gonna lose any of my old letters, 'Cause they'll stay with me, Until I can see that I'm no one
lennon is an odious person. I guess in the grand scale of things he dopesnt deserve a letter bomb.It probably had no intention of going off anyway
He does bring a lot of it himself with hisattitude.yesterday hi aftermatch press conference was laughable. Instead of cting like a ambassodor for a world famous club he behaved like a stoppy teenager
He is a pathetic human being and disliked by evry clubs supporters ,celtic apart,we cant all be wrong!
[quote="ryan"]Col, firstly this won't be locked as long as everyone keeps it as a decent discussion, we're all for everyone expressing their opinion and a healthy debate is what we like to see.
I am one of the people that has said 'we are all neil lennon'. As most on here know I am a die hard Celtic man and when I say that I mean it as a show of support towards our manager when he is literally fearing for his life. The fans are behind the man and that quote is just a way of showing that. I don't expect people that don't like him to start saying it, I know I wouldn't be going around saying 'we are all walter smith' if the roles were reversed. It's good to see Rangers lads on here against it though. A lot of respect to those men.
Fair enough you say that you don't like Lennon and you find comments he makes on the pitch disgusting. Have you not been on the park and had a dig at another player? This happens every single day up and down the country. It's a part of the game and is a bit of banter in my eyes.
Your point about the Ireland that Celtic fans believe exist I won't go into because that's a hundred percent true and like you said is the same on the other side of Glasgow, and Edinburgh for that matter. [/quote]
Ryan, fair play. That's a very fair assessment and I can't agrue (nor do I want to) with any of it. To be fair to Celtic fans, your support of Neil Lennon is admirable. And let's not forget what the man is going through, whether you like him or not, has absolutely no place in football. I don't think any of us have the answer to the absolute cancer of hatred that exists in Scottish football and, of course, over the water in Northern Ireland. However, things are certainly better from a tolerance side of view on this island over the last 15 years, notwithstanding the threat from disadents. I've long studied the social landscape in Scotland and think they nearly have more problems than Ireland/Northern Ireland.
It's a pity because leaving aside the political and sectarian problems that envelope both clubs, I don't believe any set of fans elsewhere in Britain are as passionate and fanatical as the Old Firm and I often watch European games at both Celtic Park and Ibrox on the telly and think to myself I'd love to have some of that.
The old firm game was on in the background yesterday, only had it on hoping to see about 9 red cards as the standard of football is atrocious, and I shook my head when the teams came out. One set of throw-backs waving Union flags and the other set of throw-backs waving Irish tri-colours. Anyone not up to speed with the situation would have thought Ireland was playing a British select eleven.
You know what, they all need to grow the fuck up. Pathetic.
[quote="casualcol"]I'm gonna have my say on this now and I dare say it won't be pretty and if it inflames feel free to lock the thread - I've said before what sets this board apart is the lack of bickering, especially on issues like this which have destroyed other forums.
I was tempted to write this earlier when I read a comment which said 'We are all Neil Lennon' and I thought to myself, well I'm not. Let's have this straight - the sending of parcel bombs, bullets etc to Lennon, Celtic players and Celtic minded people is the lowest of the low, it's sickening and it has no place in sport. The people who do this type of thing are psychos and sick in the head. It has no place in football. However, Celtic fans can't have it every which way - you can't complain about that and, like I've witnessed on various forums, refuse to condemn the murder of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
As for Lennon the individual - not withstanding the fact that what he's been subject to is repulsive (and don't forget that), I find him loathesome. He is right up there with your Ashley Coles, Rooneys, Joey Bartons, Terry's etc of this world. This is a fellah who has a very dodgy private life, or at least had, the fellah who would brag on the pitch about how wealthy he was and so on. Comments like when he was called an ugly twat responding with I'll still be a millionaire in the morning and numerous comments of that ilk. Various pieces of footage indulging in sectarianism, the type of stuff Celtic and Rangers are supposed to be trying to stamp out. But because British mainstream in gone so pc, Lennon is protected from receiving the same sort of negative press as Terry, Cole and Rooney. The mainstream are afraid to point out his nasty side because in a complete reversal Catholics nowadays are almost immune from criticism because you'll be called racist or sectarian if you dare question the integrity of someone like Lennon. I say this all as an Irish Catholic (lapsed Catholic and in all honesty, an aetheist).
Which leads me nicely onto my next point. I hate the way Celtic fans have almost hi-jacked the Irish tricolour. There's some sort of myth that everyone over here supports them and it's far from true. My local pub is a republican bar (although funnily enough it's also where a lots of English people living here have a drink) and there was more people watching the games on telly yesterday than the Old Firm match today and given today was Easter Sunday with all its historical connotations it was a poor show but only backs up my point. People over here who don't support Celtic are tired of the whole thing. Tired of 6,7,8 old firm games a season, tired of a support who wave our flag and are still stuck in a sectarian timewarp, just like their Rangers counterparts. Tired of all the nonsense associated with it. The Ireland that Celtic fans eulogise doesn't exist and in all reality never existed and the only place it exists is in their head. Leaving aside the '800 years of oppression' , we, as a people, have been royally shat on by our own ruling classes, our own institutions, we didn't need the British when we had the church who abused us for centuries, the ruling classes and all their corruption, the 'golden circle' of today that has led this country to ruination.
There is a romantic notion that exits about this country - mainly by people who weren't born here or live here. The reality is far from romantic. Just ask Neil Lennon.
Seen this subject causing all sorts of problems on other forums, refreshing to see people putting their views across calmly and in a mature fashion, some great posts here with points very well made, fair play lads
[quote="bingo"]Seen this subject causing all sorts of problems on other forums, refreshing to see people putting their views across calmly and in a mature fashion, some great posts here with points very well made, fair play lads [/quote]
Agreed mate, great to see that a topic as serious as this can be discussed without any stupid comments.
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