I say good luck to him, he's very brave for speaking his truth.
I used to see him all the time when he lived in Sutton Coldfield whilst at the Villa. He lived with a bird who was quite masculine looking, I think she was an ex East German shot putter!
why the need to come out and admit it anyway ? do people need to declare they are straight ? oh , and so if so bothered , why wait till finished playing ?
Police are round his house investigating a burglary , his agent phoned him , but he said he couldn't talk as some bloke had just kicked his back his back door in ..
A Christian teacher from London is under investigation because she refused to give a lesson telling children that all opponents of gay marriage are homophobes.
The unnamed teacher didn’t think it was a “fair characterization of the debate,” she says, but is now under investigation at her school.
She is also under suspicion for being a member of a church, and a colleague is demanding to know whether it impacts her job.
The case was raised in the House of Lords during a debate about the government’s controversial same-sex marriage bill.
Lord Dear told peers, “I will quote from a letter that was sent to me at the end of last week by a firm of solicitors in Witney in Oxfordshire.
“It stated: ‘I am happy to confirm the attached letter, addressed to you by Mrs. X, in relation to an investigation against her in her school, which is an honest summary of a genuine incident. I am aware of the facts of the case. I am also aware that Mrs. X wishes to remain anonymous at this stage because an investigation is ongoing.’”
Dear went on to quote directly from the teacher’s letter: “‘I am a teacher at a … girls’ school in South London. I have been employed by the school for 17 years. During March … I was instructed to deliver a presentation, which included material stating, in effect, that any disagreement with same-sex marriage was de facto homophobia. I felt this was not a fair characterization of the debate and it was one that conflicted with my own deeply held religious beliefs. I raised my concerns with the teacher in charge.’”
Quote: STEVECFC wrote in post #8why the need to come out and admit it anyway ? do people need to declare they are straight ? oh , and so if so bothered , why wait till finished playing ?
and in all fairness , who really cares ?
No, its just assumed in the masculine world of football that you're not an iron. Fair play to him for finally coming out, hopefully it'd give a bit of confidence to a. any gay men and women who are struggling with their identity/sexuality and b. any gay footballers who are still playing/in the closest.
What's most remarkable about this story is how few people give a toss he bats for the other side.
Quote: STEVECFC wrote in post #8why the need to come out and admit it anyway ? do people need to declare they are straight ? oh , and so if so bothered , why wait till finished playing ?
and in all fairness , who really cares ?
What's most remarkable about this story is how few people give a toss he bats for the other side.
tbh , Im amazed , that you are amazed .. were are totally controlled and told what we can and cant say now-a-days , the footy used to be hilarious what songs you'd sing , now you can hardly swear .. the World has changed dramatically from my teen years , but not totally in a bad way , it's just different today .. so fuckin what if he's gay , everytime you switch the telly on poofs are kissing and cuddling , that daft big brother - complete lesbo sexfest .. ad bi-sexual blokes .. every soap has it's gay in it ..
life is short , so very short , so what ever makes you happy .. [smile]
Quote: STEVECFC wrote in post #8why the need to come out and admit it anyway ? do people need to declare they are straight ? oh , and so if so bothered , why wait till finished playing ?
and in all fairness , who really cares ?
What's most remarkable about this story is how few people give a toss he bats for the other side.
tbh , Im amazed , that you are amazed .. were are totally controlled and told what we can and cant say now-a-days , the footy used to be hilarious what songs you'd sing , now you can hardly swear .. the World has changed dramatically from my teen years , but not totally in a bad way , it's just different today .. so fuckin what if he's gay , everytime you switch the telly on poofs are kissing and cuddling , that daft big brother - complete lesbo sexfest .. ad bi-sexual blokes .. every soap has it's gay in it ..
life is short , so very short , so what ever makes you happy .. [smile]
True, but any article on homophobia always mentions football fans as being devoid of compassion. FWIW I doubt anyone bar a mental 5% who'll never change would mind if there were openly gay players in England. They'd get a bit of stick, sure, but I really don't think it'd be as vitriolic as that which was regularly dished out to black players.
I don't think football fans are the biggest obstacle in gay footballers coming out. It's the dressing room. 'Faggot' and 'gay' are terms used by lads everyday when having a laugh so you can see why they would be reticent about doing so. Use a racist slur and you are ruined forever but it would seem you can have a go at homosexuals with gay abandon
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #12 What's most remarkable about this story is how few people give a toss he bats for the other side.
Not sure i agree with you there. That's probably going to be the stock response from the majority of straight match goers, even the ones who would want to give him stick at the game can't now he's retired, so why would they give a shit? After first off thinking what the majority here are saying, ie why do I care?, I don't think it was them/me that gay sportsmen and women come out to enlighten first and foremost, rather the two groups you mentioned in your post.
An irony of all this was that among the amendments defeated by the Government was one proposing that heterosexuals should be given an equal right to homosexuals to enter into civil partnerships.Originally, in 2010, Theresa May had been all for this, as was Equal Love, which supported a case by eight gay and non-gay couples to be taken to the ECHR. But when the Government checked the financial implications of allowing non-gay couples to enjoy civil partnerships, finding that the resulting tax privileges could cost the Treasury up to £4 billion a year, it ruled that this was a step it couldn’t afford. When it comes to equality, it seems that money takes precedence – and that some people must be considered more equal than others.
Good read that Andy. I was at that game when Berg smacked Fowler. He was right that we were going mental at fowler bending over. Saw him land the elbow...... sweet as a nut. In fairness to Berg, that dressing room with Wise, Vinny jones who could be a right nasty cnut, townsend, etc....wouldn't have been easy for a guardian reading leftie. Had Pat Nevin been coming through at that time, he's another who was a bit 'different' and would have got the treatment too from that lot.
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
Definitely Glenn and the weaker characters would join in to make sure they were onside with the big boys so to speak. But it reaffirms why any gay footballer would struggle to openly admit it to the dressing room.
Here’s a question shortly coming to an examination paper near you. What have mathematics, geography or science to do with homosexuality?
Nothing at all, you say? Zero marks for you, then.
For, mad as this may seem, schoolchildren are to be bombarded with homosexual references in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to promote the gay agenda MELANIE PHILLIPS: Yes, gays have often been the victims of prejudice. But they now risk becoming the new McCarthyites
Here’s a question shortly coming to an examination paper near you. What have mathematics, geography or science to do with homosexuality?
Nothing at all, you say? Zero marks for you, then.
For, mad as this may seem, schoolchildren are to be bombarded with homosexual references in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to promote the gay agenda.
Upholding Christian values: Peter and Hazelmary Bull fell foul of the law when they refused Steven Preddy (left) and Martin Hall (right) a room at their bed and breakfast In geography, for example, they will be told to consider why homosexuals move from the countryside to cities. In maths, they will be taught statistics through census findings about the number of homosexuals in the population.
In science, they will be directed to animal species such as emperor penguins and sea horses, where the male takes a lead role in raising its young.
Alas, this gay curriculum is no laughing matter. Absurd as it sounds, this is but the latest attempt to brainwash children with propaganda under the camouflage of education. It is an abuse of childhood.
And it’s all part of the ruthless campaign by the gay rights lobby to destroy the very concept of normal sexual behaviour.
Not so long ago, an epic political battle raged over teaching children that homosexuality was normal. The fight over Section 28, as it became known, resulted in the repeal of the legal requirement on schools not to promote homosexuality.
MORE... Gay messages built into school maths lessons for children as young as FOUR Hallelujah! Christian who says family life can beat addiction is new Government drugs adviser As the old joke has it, what was once impermissible first becomes tolerated and then becomes mandatory.
And the other side of that particular coin, as we are now discovering, is that values which were once the moral basis for British society are now deemed to be beyond the pale.
What was once an attempt to end unpleasant attitudes towards a small sexual minority has now become a kind of bigotry in reverse.
Expressing what used to be the moral norm of Western civilisation is now not just socially impermissible, but even turns upstanding people into lawbreakers.
The bed and breakfast hoteliers Peter and Hazelmary Bull — who were recently sued for turning away two homosexuals who wished to share a bedroom — were but the latest religious believers to fall foul of the gay inquisition merely for upholding Christian values.
Catholic adoption agencies were forced to shut down after they refused to place children with same-sex couples. Marriage registrars were forced to step down for refusing to officiate at civil unions.
Christian street preacher Dale McAlpine was charged with making threatening, abusive or insulting remarks for saying homosexuality was a sin to passers-by in Workington, Cumbria. In the event, the case against him was dropped and he won a police apology and compensation.
It seems that just about everything in Britain is now run according to the gay agenda.
For, in addition to the requirement for gay-friendly hotels, gay adoption and gay mathematics, now comes, apparently, gay drugs policy Last week, the Government announced the appointment of some new members to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, who included a GP by the name of Hans-Christian Raabe.
Dr Raabe has long maintained a close interest in drug policy, on which he has robustly traditional views. He has spoken out in favour of abstinence-based approaches and criticised the flawed logic behind the claim that it is the illegality of drugs such as cannabis that is the problem. Considering the unhappy fact that over recent years many on the Advisory Council have taken the ultra-liberal view that treating drug-users is the priority rather than reducing their numbers, Dr Raabe’s membership of the council was very welcome news.
But as soon as his appointment was announced, Dr Raabe was targeted in an astonishing attack.
For he is also a leading member of the Manchester-based Maranatha Community, which is dedicated to re-establishing Christian values in society and which campaigns against gay rights.
It was the BBC’s Home Editor Mark Easton who led the charge. On his BBC News blog, he announced that Dr Raabe’s views on homosexuality were causing such fury among (anonymous) members of the Advisory Council that at least one member was threatening to step down.
Well may you rub your eyes at that. Just what have his views on homosexuality got to do with illegal drugs? Well, according to Easton, more than one member of the council is gay or lesbian.
How extraordinary. Just imagine if the boot were on the other foot and Dr Raabe had refused to serve on the drugs council because some of its members were gay. He would be out on his ear within the hour.
How reprehensible of the BBC to lend itself to such a partisan attack. Unsurprisingly, Easton’s remarks provoked more advocates of drug liberalisation to join in the blood-sport of baiting Dr Raabe.
Yesterday’s Observer listed among his crimes certain briefing documents he had produced for MPs identifying the benefits of marriage in fighting drug addiction.
He had written, for example, that marriage is associated with greater happiness, less depression, less alcohol abuse and less smoking. But what’s the problem with that? It happens to be true.
The Observer reported that drugs charities and experts expressed surprise that someone of such ‘stringent opinions’ could be appointed to the Advisory Council.
Clearly, ‘stringent opinions’ in favour of drug liberalisation are considered entirely appropriate in such circles; but anyone who goes against the politically-correct grain on homosexuality or who has robust Christian views must be considered a bigot and thus have no place in public life.
In fact, anyone truly concerned to end the scourge of drug abuse should be delighted that at last there is a strong voice for common sense and morality on the Advisory Council.
Penalising religious people for speaking and acting in accordance with their beliefs is neither liberal nor tolerant. It is behaviour more commonly associated with totalitarian dictatorships.
It must be said that many gay people are themselves uneasy or even appalled by this increasingly oppressive use of their cause. Privately, many will say that all they ever want is to live free from discrimination and not to provoke discrimination against others.
After the case of Christian street preacher Dale McAlpine, the gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell spoke out in support of the rights of people to express their views against homosexuality — although, by contrast, he also endorsed the lawsuit against B&B owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull on the grounds that the equality laws should apply to all.
Of course, for people such as the Bulls, George Orwell’s famous observation that some are more equal than others is all too painfully true. Indeed, the obsession with equality has now reached ludicrous, as well as oppressive, proportions.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has paid £100,000 for a report into how efforts to boost Britain’s coastal fish stocks would affect minority communities including the Chinese, homosexuals and Welsh speakers.
And the Department for Transport issued a study looking at harassment and discrimination on ships and hovercraft against a range of groups, including transsexuals.
Many different groups are involved in promoting this crazy, upside-down world of the equality agenda. But the seemingly all-powerful gay rights lobby carries all before it. If it isn’t careful, it risks turning gay people from being the victims of prejudice into Britain’s new McCarthyites.
Quote: Vasque wrote in post #22Definitely Glenn and the weaker characters would join in to make sure they were onside with the big boys so to speak. But it reaffirms why any gay footballer would struggle to openly admit it to the dressing room.
the one thing I would say mate is that Berg wasn't the only one to get that 'takes it up the ass' chanting. I remember both Cantona and particularly Beckham getting it mid 90s. The chant that is.... nowadays, the only difference is that at top level, dressing rooms are so cosmopolitan and I'm not sure other nationals carry the same stereotypical Brit dressing room mentality. But certainly championship down, I'd be astounded if a player 'came out'.
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
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In fairness to Berg, that dressing room with Wise, Vinny jones who could be a right nasty cnut, townsend, etc....wouldn't have been easy for a guardian reading leftie. Had Pat Nevin been coming through at that time, he's another who was a bit 'different' and would have got the treatment too from that lot.
