Zitat von kuriousoranjOnly 1% of the heroin shipped into this country is found. That alone begs the question, why exactly do we spend millions on trying to prevent it? Not only on trying to prevent it, for that matter, but the whole system in which it works due to its illegality; from coppers to courts. Money and lives it costs.
Every nation which legalises substance "misuse" sees a decrease in use. I'd like my government to make decisions based on fact, not blind rhetoric.
I'll openly admit I've made my way through pretty much every drug there is (bar the big two), and I have criminal convictions to show for it - and it's that which pisses me off the most - "criminal convictions". I've never intentionally hurt another cunt in my life, and certainly not when I've taken some kind of substance. And yet I, as a serving member of the community, having worked for a number of years helping adults with learning disabilities, have to have a further interview after every interview I get to explain to my perspective employer as to why I have been arrested for such "crimes". Why I've been arrested for risking my own health and minding my own business, while those who continually speed in motor vehicles, killing thousands a year, are let off with fines.
As you can tell, it's something close to my heart this.
Oh, and as a side note, I lost my old man to drink when I was 7. Had alcohol been illegal, I'd have mentioned "the big three" up there, rather than "the big two", and that has nothing to do with the fact that "drink is legal and rife, therefore it can't be compared", and everything to do with scientific fact.
The subject is also something close to me. I have also had dealings with some drugs including the big 2 (not going to say all; see link below). My CRB is 4 pages long and i'm not saying that with any pride. I got a luckey break after going round the cycle a few times and ended up working with those suffering from substance misuse issues (including alcohol) and now at uni the current debate at present intrests me, regarding the control of drugs and what changes this will have on the control of crime?? I wont bore with stats but Home Office released their annual publication stating Class A drug use generates approximately £15.4 billion in crime and health costs each year, of which 99 per cent is accounted for by problem drug users. Therefore, evidence from this surley must suggest changes need to be made. However, there is the problem of the legal high and the vast amount of chemical formulas and different plant form that gets us high. Would like to add I agree with all those suggesting alcohol would be criminalised if introduced now. It causes many problems too many to mention yet socially acceptable.
Please beware of the link below if you have an old chemistry set in the loft . Theres some you'll know and many you'd like too
[quote="soul_stylist"][quote="Bezz"]If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat
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So if you dont have to take them to have a good time but take them because you enjoy taking them - what does that make someone in your book?
That's a whole different argument as i believe that some of the people who have voted in favour are people who use drugs occasionally i.e when out tio be able to have a good time.
Addicts are completely different and i don't have the time of day to waste my energy typing about them as they are not worth it.
I was merely stating that people that cant be as sociable without drugs on a night out need to sort themselves out before turning straight to drugs in my opinion.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
Not really imo, it's a very viable proposal and a lot of good could potentially come from is (granted, bad could also come from it too).. they've leagalised drugs in Portugal and a decade on it's starting to reap the results - the number of drug users are decreasing, as are the number of drug related deaths. It's also left the authorities with more time to deal with the real problem of drug dealers and crime bosses. Addicts over there are treated with regards to their illness (which is basically what addiction is, a psycological ilness combined with a physical dependancy). Never done drugs myself except from a bit of weed twice but it's clear that drugs are a major problem in Britain and what's currently being done isn't working, i see no problem looking at alternatives.
"I was merely stating that people that cant be as sociable without drugs on a night out need to sort themselves out before turning straight to drugs in my opinion."
Zitat von David.Watts[quote="soul_stylist"][quote="Bezz"]If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat
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So if you dont have to take them to have a good time but take them because you enjoy taking them - what does that make someone in your book?
Fair point this.
A lot of people need alcohol to enjoy themselves. I personally haven't drunk for 20 years. And I've lost count of how many people who question how I can go out and enjoy myself without having a 'drink'.
And at work on a Saturday night at a pub. I see the effect of drink on many. And people who I've had altercations with only for them to come back the next week apologising and saying - "It wasn't me. I was drunk. I get like that when I'm pi*sed." ?
I appreciate and agree with your point to an extent Mr Watts.
People on drink can be right arseholes as you i have seen it first hand myself. But some of my close mates take drugs none are addicts thankfully but have the occasional dabble on a weekend and i think it's more of a disgusting habit, seeing then sniffing it and rupping there fucking noses all night makes them look like right dossers.
They can't hold a decent conversation as they reckn they're buzzing.
Is it so hard for people to just go out have a drink and a laugh and go home, or am i been naive?
Zitat von Bezz[quote="soul_stylist"][quote="Bezz"]If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat
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So if you dont have to take them to have a good time but take them because you enjoy taking them - what does that make someone in your book?
That's a whole different argument as i believe that some of the people who have voted in favour are people who use drugs occasionally i.e when out tio be able to have a good time.
Addicts are completely different and i don't have the time of day to waste my energy typing about them as they are not worth it.
I was merely stating that people that cant be as sociable without drugs on a night out need to sort themselves out before turning straight to drugs in my opinion.
Rehabilitation or punishment then for them 'ADDICTS' that was going to be my next question
Zitat von BezzAddicts are completely different and i don't have the time of day to waste my energy typing about them as they are not worth it.
That is a bit unfair mate. Addiction is an illness and some folk are more susceptible to it than others.
I'm on the side of those who are advocating the legalisation of all drugs. It has to be worth giving a go. It will cut a lot of crime at the drop of a hat.
Zitat von BezzAddicts are completely different and i don't have the time of day to waste my energy typing about them as they are not worth it.
That is a bit unfair mate. Addiction is an illness and some folk are more susceptible to it than others.
I'm on the side of those who are advocating the legalisation of all drugs. It has to be worth giving a go. It will cut a lot of crime at the drop of a hat.
I honeslty dont think it's unfair mate, mybe i'm been narrow minded but people make the choice to take drugs for the frst time, they are not physically forced to take them.
And people will take the piss iif drugs are legalised, i dont really want loads of drugged upidiots about where i live when my neice and other young children are about.
I know you could say it may be the same with beer, but i'm basing my views on what i've personally seen.
A good mate of mine (years ago) lost his balls and sphincter (& had other compilations) to gangrene through injecting, he was a very sorry state waddling along with his collostomy bag before he passed away RIP Deano
I appreciate and agree with your point to an extent Mr Watts.
People on drink can be right arseholes as you i have seen it first hand myself. But some of my close mates take drugs none are addicts thankfully but have the occasional dabble on a weekend and i think it's more of a disgusting habit, seeing then sniffing it and rupping there fucking noses all night makes them look like right dossers.
They can't hold a decent conversation as they reckn they're buzzing.
Is it so hard for people to just go out have a drink and a laugh and go home, or am i been naive?
Well put Young Mr.B.
I can totally appreciate were you're coming from.
A lot of people can and do go out have a few and causes no problems whatsoever whether the few in question be pints or some other things. But some people will go to excess in whatever they choose and for a lot of varying reasons.
I did used to drink and have no problems with others doing it. It was never a sudden halt and a line drawn in the sand and I vowed never to ever touch a drop again. It happened over a period of time due mundane reasons and got to the point were I was just not drinking. If in future I ever find myself in a pub and have a sudden urge to have a pint of whatever I wouldn't hesitate in doing so.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat.
I agree drink can be the same in instances as Individual said i've seen people be cunts on drink and act the big man, but drugs are a no, no for me, i've been brought up with that and will stick to it.
another absolutely cuntish post from your fine self. clown
reached for the secret too soon, cried for the moon.
Zitat von BezzAddicts are completely different and i don't have the time of day to waste my energy typing about them as they are not worth it.
That is a bit unfair mate. Addiction is an illness and some folk are more susceptible to it than others.
I'm on the side of those who are advocating the legalisation of all drugs. It has to be worth giving a go. It will cut a lot of crime at the drop of a hat.
I honeslty dont think it's unfair mate, mybe i'm been narrow minded but people make the choice to take drugs for the frst time, they are not physically forced to take them.
And people will take the piss iif drugs are legalised, i dont really want loads of drugged upidiots about where i live when my neice and other young children are about.
I know you could say it may be the same with beer, but i'm basing my views on what i've personally seen.
Yes but you yourself admitted that you enjoy a drink and that is fine. However, some others also enjoy a drink but quickly get addicted, just like others get addicted to cigarettes. They are all addicts. You are lucky that you can take it or leave it.
To be fair, it isn't usually 'drugged-up idiots' who cause problems. They cause problems when they commit crime in their pursuit of money in order to buy drugs. That problem could be solved very quickly.
We've tried the 'all drugs are evil' approach for long enough and it doesn't work. We need some forward-thinking ideas but of course Mr Joe Bloggs goes nuts at the idea of legalising 'drugs'. It would be political suicide for any party advocating the legalisation of drugs because the general public would be up in arms at the mere thought of it.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat.
I agree drink can be the same in instances as Individual said i've seen people be cunts on drink and act the big man, but drugs are a no, no for me, i've been brought up with that and will stick to it.
another absolutely cuntish post from your fine self. clown
Would you like to elaborate on that?
Or are you just leaving it at that, we're having a healthy discussion here and you come in with an agressive post like that, which, makes you look like the clown.
our society is far too quick to tell people how to live their lives, possibly why so many look for outlets by drink/drugs and whatever else. demonising/criminalising drug use does nothing to prevent drug use imo, it only serves to further alienate those who use them.
reached for the secret too soon, cried for the moon.
I appreciate and agree with your point to an extent Mr Watts.
People on drink can be right arseholes as you i have seen it first hand myself. But some of my close mates take drugs none are addicts thankfully but have the occasional dabble on a weekend and i think it's more of a disgusting habit, seeing then sniffing it and rupping there fucking noses all night makes them look like right dossers.
They can't hold a decent conversation as they reckn they're buzzing.
Is it so hard for people to just go out have a drink and a laugh and go home, or am i been naive?
Well put Young Mr.B.
I can totally appreciate were you're coming from.
A lot of people can and do go out have a few and causes no problems whatsoever whether the few in question be pints or some other things. But some people will go to excess in whatever they choose and for a lot of varying reasons.
I did used to drink and have no problems with others doing it. It was never a sudden halt and a line drawn in the sand and I vowed never to ever touch a drop again. It happened over a period of time due mundane reasons and got to the point were I was just not drinking. If in future I ever find myself in a pub and have a sudden urge to have a pint of whatever I wouldn't hesitate in doing so.
Can't argue with that at all sir, fair play for being tea total some of my close friends dont drink and that can sometimes be the life and soul of a party.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat.
I agree drink can be the same in instances as Individual said i've seen people be cunts on drink and act the big man, but drugs are a no, no for me, i've been brought up with that and will stick to it.
another absolutely cuntish post from your fine self. clown
Would you like to elaborate on that?
Or are you just leaving it at that, we're having a healthy discussion here and you come in with an agressive post like that, which, makes you look like the clown.
i think my first post summed it up quite nicely actually.
reached for the secret too soon, cried for the moon.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat.
I agree drink can be the same in instances as Individual said i've seen people be cunts on drink and act the big man, but drugs are a no, no for me, i've been brought up with that and will stick to it.
another absolutely cuntish post from your fine self. clown
Would you like to elaborate on that?
Or are you just leaving it at that, we're having a healthy discussion here and you come in with an agressive post like that, which, makes you look like the clown.
i think my first post summed it up quite nicely actually.
Zitat von BezzHow fucking ridiculas, like anything is going to happen.
If you have to take drugs to have a good time and socialise then you are an absolute twat.
I agree drink can be the same in instances as Individual said i've seen people be cunts on drink and act the big man, but drugs are a no, no for me, i've been brought up with that and will stick to it.
another absolutely cuntish post from your fine self. clown
Would you like to elaborate on that?
Or are you just leaving it at that, we're having a healthy discussion here and you come in with an agressive post like that, which, makes you look like the clown.
i think my first post summed it up quite nicely actually.
If you say so, we're all entitled to an opinion.
indeed, but try not to base it around ignorance.
reached for the secret too soon, cried for the moon.
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Would like to add I agree with all those suggesting alcohol would be criminalised if introduced now. It causes many problems too many to mention yet socially acceptable. 
RIP Deano
