Zitat von muldoon68What so i dont have the rite to defend my rite for my kids education as a tax payer btw the love to be my bosses serf,shes well fit.........
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your kids education wont suffer one jot. do you send them in when they're sick? cos they'd still miss a day of their precious book learning. wont somebody think of the children!
Fair play to the teachers on this, the government has pulled a real fast one here and it's backfired. Regarding the 'discussions' teachers haven't had a valuation of their pension scheme since (I think) 2005, how can they discuss changes to the system when they don't even know what they're working with. Similarly just because the teachers are generally union members and have a bit of back bone doesn't mean they should have scorn poured on them by the private sector. I'm tired of people saying things like "any excuse for a day off" and that "the private sector has suffered so they should too" just smacks of the atomisation that politicians in this country have forced on us for years. The teachers didn't cause the banking crisis, they agreed terms re their pensions so why should they have the matt pulled from under them? Finally it's unfair to suggest teachers have an easy time of it with great salaries and conditions - 5 years training to go and work in an inner city hole where morale is low and kids are totally unwilling to learn for 26k a year, I know I wouldn't do that. Do you really want your kids future's to be in the hands of people who are paid low wages. IMO lower wages = fewer well qualified graduates going into it = poorer quality teaching.
Zitat von jonahSame can be said for people who are self employed, they dont pay the proper tax or declare it, they just get a great accountent........
I work in a government department alongside £900 a day contractors, in our dept they comprise 45% of the 140 staff.
They openly discuss how they avoid tax, employ wives etc. I don't blame them there not doing anything illegal, immoral maybe. Anyway it can't be right that someone can earn 4 to 5 times as much as I do and yet pay less tax.
Zitat von sauzee88Fair play to the teachers on this, the government has pulled a real fast one here and it's backfired. Regarding the 'discussions' teachers haven't had a valuation of their pension scheme since (I think) 2005, how can they discuss changes to the system when they don't even know what they're working with. Similarly just because the teachers are generally union members and have a bit of back bone doesn't mean they should have scorn poured on them by the private sector. I'm tired of people saying things like "any excuse for a day off" and that "the private sector has suffered so they should too" just smacks of the atomisation that politicians in this country have forced on us for years. The teachers didn't cause the banking crisis, they agreed terms re their pensions so why should they have the matt pulled from under them? Finally it's unfair to suggest teachers have an easy time of it with great salaries and conditions - 5 years training to go and work in an inner city hole where morale is low and kids are totally unwilling to learn for 26k a year, I know I wouldn't do that. Do you really want your kids future's to be in the hands of people who are paid low wages. IMO lower wages = fewer well qualified graduates going into it = poorer quality teaching.
Public sector workers are the easy target in recessionary times, particualy this current one. However, when economies were booming 5 years ago there wasn't a peep about public sector workers. In fact, in Ireland, they were ridiculed for having such low paid jobs. Public sector workers had no hand, act or part to play in the financial meltdown. Reserve your spleen for the likes of corrupt politicians, greedy banks and bankers, reckless speculators, developers, faceless moneymen and markets with right wing agendas.
Basically, what Neo-Lib governments want nowadays is workers to work for nothing, to have nothing and yet want to public to pick up the tab for what is essentially private debt. Fuck 'em. It is particulary prevalent over here where a golden circle of about 200 people have brought the country to its knees. These people sould be in jail but oh no, go after the people on the dole, the single mothers and low paid civil servants, it's much easier that way.
aye, we're all picking and choosing jobs these days. i think i'll take less money. behave yourself. this is an agreement that's been broken. if the govt started properly taxing the massive PRIVATE companies who have been dicking the rest of us for years this wouldn't be an issue. as it is people are fucking morons and they'll lap up what the right wing media tells them.
I m talking about how public sector workers think that when a crisis happens that they ll be exempt from any cuts. Teachers are underpaid imo, but a lot of the tax payers money is wasted on "non jobs", and quangos. I agree that the government could do more to ensure that Private companies paid "proper"tax, but if they did, a lot of them would just relocate to a country where the tax system was more favourable. As for the people are fucking morons, you make yourself sound as if only your opinion is right, which in turn makes you the moron, never underestimate the people of this country, or forum...
my mrs is a teacher, didnt strike today (her union havnt gone on strike.... yet).....but she will, if and when called to....at the end of the day , they want £60+ extra a month, for a smaller pension than she is paying for at present.....and want her to work till she's 68......load of bollocks...!
If you judge wages by necessity to society at large and responsibility than I'd say they were underpaid. Not an easy job either, shame it's another profession that's been diluted in quality by successive governments.
Zitat von wadeylol @ me....i thought Mac said they were OVERPAID....sorry mate....maybe the teachers that tought me to read were overpaid though!!!
my mrs is a teacher, the unpaid hours put in that folk dont see is incredible
appologies mac
^^^^ yep, I tease my bird about only working 9 to 3 But fact is she's out the door at 7 and not back til 6 or half 7, works odd weekends, marks at home, etc. I'd like to see someone who works behind a computer all day try and control 25 15 year olds whilst trying to teach
Zitat von wadeylol @ me....i thought Mac said they were OVERPAID....sorry mate....maybe the teachers that tought me to read were overpaid though!!!
my mrs is a teacher, the unpaid hours put in that folk dont see is incredible
appologies mac
^^^^ yep, I tease my bird about only working 9 to 3 But fact is she's out the door at 7 and not back til 6 or half 7, works odd weekends, marks at home, etc. I'd like to see someone who works behind a computer all day try and control 25 15 year olds whilst trying to teach
Snap. My bint is also a teacher. She hardly gets in before 8 and is out the door at 7 in the a.m. They deserve everything they get. Some of the shit they put up with is unbelievable as well. I'm glad the public sector has stood up to the government and hopefully the private sector wil as well. If my pension plan went from being I could withdraw my money at 55 to all of a sudden 60 and by the way your contributions are being upped 50% you can be damn sure I would be fucking fuming as well.
I'm not really sure of all this pressure, I'm never gonna lose any of my old letters, 'Cause they'll stay with me, Until I can see that I'm no one
I m doing an NVQ to be a Teaching Assistant lads, so I know how hard it is to teach even even very young children, and I also work part-time as a lunchtime supervisor, I think your teacher definitely needs to shake their head Wadey
Zitat von maclufc I m doing an NVQ to be a Teaching Assistant lads, so I know how hard it is to teach even even very young children, and I also work part-time as a lunchtime supervisor,
good for you mate,,should you need any help or owt mate drop me a pm, my mrs would be happy to answer any Qs....offer advice.....she's good like that!
I think your teacher definitely needs to shake their head Wadey
Zitat von maclufcIts time we adopted the Australian pension scheme, where everyone who works put a percentage of their wages into a pension, there-fore there is no "them and us"(public and private sectors), and everyone has a decent retirement. As for the strike, if negotiations break down, then its the only way, although the general public are nt always sympathetic when they too have to take an unscheduled day off(probably losing a days pay as well) I think that anyone who has served over say,15 years, should keep their benefits, and anyone below that should have new contracts written, because normally imo, people work in the public sector, accept the lower wages, because they can afford to, otherwise they d get a higher paying job and take out a personal pension.......
Really? I work in the public sector in a fairly low paid job and I don't know anyone that works on my level that isn't skint for a lot of the month, there's certainly not anyone there who works there because they can afford it. Surely if they could afford it then they wouldn't need to bother working in first place? I've always worked on the view that while the wages aren't great my pension would be half-decent which is looking less likely. I've been on strike today which will cost me a days wages which I can't afford to lose, with these new pension plans I'll be losing around that every month for no extra gain, great. Having had both my parents as teachers and a previous girlfriend as one (a teacher ) I can say that I think they fully deserve the money, having to put up with little cunts all day and then spending half the evening / weekend marking books.
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....maybe the teachers that tought me to read were overpaid though!!!
But fact is she's out the door at 7 and not back til 6 or half 7, works odd weekends, marks at home, etc. I'd like to see someone who works behind a computer all day try and control 25 15 year olds whilst trying to teach
