Even though I've moved away from football tribalism in recent times and now see myself as much an observer of all things football as much as anything else, your comments about Cole and Terry back up my thoughts on the media in England and the way it can spin things. I've no particular love for either Terry or Cole, apart from the fact they've both been fantastic servants for CFC - no argument there. However, as for their character as people and what makes them who what they are - well there is absolutely no difference between your John Terrys of this world and your Rio Ferdinands. There is fuck all difference between Ashley Cole as a person and Wayne Rooney . And that's without going near that moral guardian, Saint Ryan of Giggs. If you mized Terry and Cole together it still wouldn't be as bad as what Gigg's did and yet he got away pretty easy considering he was shagging HIS BROTHER'S MISSUS.
Which boys get the relatively softer land in the media? The United boys and the reason is because all facets of the media is ram fulled of their fans. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.[/quote]
The talent of Cole and Terry haven't been questioned in this thread so no argumant there.
Ah so it's all the fault of the media? Well if what has been reported is all false I take it Cole and Terry have sued the arses off everyone have they?
This artcle will give you a little heads-up on the things Terry has been caught doing. I'm sure he has gotten away with plenty more because he is a shithouse cunt from shithouse stock. His family are scum as well. There have also been loads of rumours about Terry having racist undertones but as yet no proof. It wouldn't surprise anyone though. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl...in-country.html If this is all lies then this article wouldn't be allowed to stay up and the mail would be sued for printing it. Rio Ferdinand is no saint but how you can put the two in the same boat is beyond me.
As for Giggs, he has certainly let himself and his family down with his cheating and he is a cunt for what he has done but to say that he didn't get exposure in the media is a joke. It even made the House of Commons! I'm just glad Giggs didn't shoot Ravel Morrison at Carrington because he would have felt the wrath of Morrisons homies.
When a United fan starts putting up links to the Daily Fail you have to wonder! But anyway, I know all about Terry's shady goings on. Still does nothing to change my opinion when I say him and Rio are cut very much from the same cloth - or were you oblivious to Rio's recent dealings in court? Not to mention missed drugs tests. I'm sure Terry's dad is a wrong 'un, just like Rooney's.
And any grief Giggs got was deserved. But it was nothing in comparison to what he'd have got had his name been John Terry or Ashley Cole.
anyway, this debate is getting a bit boring and for that reason I'm now out. They're all cunts. I should clarify this by saying Wayne Rooney is one of the best footballers I've ever seen and without him England will do well to reach the knock outs next summer.
Quote by casualcolEven though I've moved away from football tribalism in recent times and now see myself as much an observer of all things football as much as anything else, your comments about Cole and Terry back up my thoughts on the media in England and the way it can spin things. I've no particular love for either Terry or Cole, apart from the fact they've both been fantastic servants for CFC - no argument there. However, as for their character as people and what makes them who what they are - well there is absolutely no difference between your John Terrys of this world and your Rio Ferdinands. There is fuck all difference between Ashley Cole as a person and Wayne Rooney . And that's without going near that moral guardian, Saint Ryan of Giggs. If you mized Terry and Cole together it still wouldn't be as bad as what Gigg's did and yet he got away pretty easy considering he was shagging HIS BROTHER'S MISSUS.
Which boys get the relatively softer land in the media? The United boys and the reason is because all facets of the media is ram fulled of their fans. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
The talent of Cole and Terry haven't been questioned in this thread so no argumant there.
Ah so it's all the fault of the media? Well if what has been reported is all false I take it Cole and Terry have sued the arses off everyone have they?
This artcle will give you a little heads-up on the things Terry has been caught doing. I'm sure he has gotten away with plenty more because he is a shithouse cunt from shithouse stock. His family are scum as well. There have also been loads of rumours about Terry having racist undertones but as yet no proof. It wouldn't surprise anyone though. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl...in-country.html If this is all lies then this article wouldn't be allowed to stay up and the mail would be sued for printing it. Rio Ferdinand is no saint but how you can put the two in the same boat is beyond me.
As for Giggs, he has certainly let himself and his family down with his cheating and he is a cunt for what he has done but to say that he didn't get exposure in the media is a joke. It even made the House of Commons! I'm just glad Giggs didn't shoot Ravel Morrison at Carrington because he would have felt the wrath of Morrisons homies.
When a United fan starts putting up links to the Daily Fail you have to wonder! But anyway, I know all about Terry's shady goings on. Still does nothing to change my opinion when I say him and Rio are cut very much from the same cloth - or were you oblivious to Rio's recent dealings in court? Not to mention missed drugs tests. I'm sure Terry's dad is a wrong 'un, just like Rooney's.
And any grief Giggs got was deserved. But it was nothing in comparison to what he'd have got had his name been John Terry or Ashley Cole.
anyway, this debate is getting a bit boring and for that reason I'm now out. They're all cunts. I should clarify this by saying Wayne Rooney is one of the best footballers I've ever seen and without him England will do well to reach the knock outs next summer.[/quote]
I knew the Daily Mail would come into it but all of that article is fact otherwise "The big Gladiator" would sue the fuck out of them. Rio was in court recently to sort out that stalker weirdo he had but if there was anything else recently then I missed it.
I agree with you though, discussing footballers is boring and they are all cunts, it's just that certain "ones" are bigger cunts than others.
How many games will Rooney miss, 2/3. Am I correct in thinking they will actually be in the Euro's. Can see it now, Rooney misses the group games, England fail toake the knock out stages, the country blame Rooney/United again as they have in the past with Beckham/ Neville/ Rooney. FACT
A mate done this for a United fanzine and is spot on.
Great piece from Red Army.co.uk In April this year Wayne Rooney received a ban for having the cheek to show passion about scoring a hat trick after being two – nil down. He received a two match ban for swearing and consequently missed the F.A.Cup semi final against City. As a Manchester United fan it was amusing to watch the bandwagon unfold, ex players, politicians, managers, pundits people from all walks of life suddenly reveal that they are offended by swearing on a football field. It gathers momentum – people calling for six month bans and point deductions. Anything to give their team an advantage against Manchester United, anything to disrupt the best player in the Premier League.
In football swearing is rife from grass roots to senior pros. Its always been that way, yet all of a sudden people believe that Rooney’s outburst was the first time their precious ears had been offended by such language. I guarantee that every ex-professional who slammed Rooney for his outburst has shouted uglier swear words on a football field that have been picked up on camera. I’ve watched the live streaming of the houses of parliament - it so abusive and obscene that you would have thought someone spilt caviar down their shirt. Lastly, parents, if you think that your little boy does not swear in the playground, on a football pitch or with his friends, If you think that the culture of on-line gaming and internet trawling does not entail someone swearing down a camera at them, then you are so far detached from reality that the F.A. may be sending you an application form.
I’m not saying that it is right, nor am I condoning it, however EVERYBODY involved in football swears, that is why this event last season in all my time watching football was the most gut-sickening passage of hypocrisy that I had ever seen. Until now….. Last week England played an international against Montenegro and mid-way through the second half Wayne Rooney was sent off for kicking out at an opponent. After the red card Rooney apologised and walked off the field without showing any dissent. This red card could result in anything between a one and four match ban. However with England’s next competitive matches after the last qualifier being the group stages at the European championships, the F.A. are concerned that England might already be out of the competition before Wayne Rooney is allowed to play again.
The holier than though Football Association came out after the game stating that they would make an appeal to UEFA in the event that the England striker would receive more than a one-match ban. A spokesman for the F.A. claimed they would appeal on the grounds that he apologised straight afterwards and that the referee commended his acceptance of the dismissal. There are some similarities hear, because back in April Manchester United made an appeal against a two match ban on the same basis that Rooney was remorseful and apologised. However Trevor Brooking had this to say: “The powers that be have got to sit down and say ‘look, to help everyone you’ve got to get a consistency, for the referee so they know whatever decision they take there is going to be a general support from the different bodies that are represented’,” he added. Therefore in the words of a Football Association member, nobody should interfere with decisions that are made and that their body – the F.A. – would back any action taken by the referee. The F.A. director of communications Adrian Bevington said that an appeal is: “something we will have to consider” and goes on to say: “We obviously have our own legal people looking through the regulations and we are fully up to speed as to where we stand with that.”
If the F.A. are fully up to speed then surely they know that you cannot appeal and get a reduction in the suspension, after all they said that under no uncertain terms should they overrule a referee last April. And, if their legal people can find a loop hole to do this – why was this not considered six months ago when Rooney’s ban was appealed by Manchester United? Are the F.A. trying to portray that kicking someone on the field is less of a crime than swearing? The F.A’s hypocrisy has been well and truly ousted this week and they have shown that if it is Manchester United they are willing to give the maximum punishment possible for a made-up-on-the-spot charge for Rooney, however, THE oldest and THE original sending-off offence of kicking another player somehow does not apply to The F.A. and England on this occasion, despite it being the same player. Same player, same colour card shown by the referee, but a rule about swearing that the F.A. created on April 5th 2011 just for Wayne Rooney and for Manchester United supersedes a UEFA rule that is over 1oo years old.
I love Wayne Rooney – he is my idol. However I hope that UEFA give him the maximum ban possible because for all those hypocrites at the F.A. who believed swearing was worth a two match ban – your comeuppance has arrived – your star player will not feature at the European Championships and any appeal will be dismissed just like every Manchester United appeal to you down the years. I remember Italia ’90. I remember the Gazza posters on my wall. I remember playing football in my back garden and shouting ‘Lineker’ when I scored. I shed a tear with Stuart Pearce. I remember three Lions on a shirt, I remember football coming home. Then one day the F.A. pulled the carpet from under me and proved to me what a cynical, jealous, tyrannical corporation is running this country’s football. Manchester is my country now; and I’m am content in the fact that I have seen them become world champions twice. So this is what it feels like dear Football Association when the shoe is on the other foot. I hope the bully becomes the bully victim, I hope the oppressor becomes the oppressed, because after your smug antics towards the team that has provided you with all your stars over the years, after Eric Cantona’s ban, after Rio Ferdinand’s ban, after saying we cant play in the F.A. cup in 2000 because of your little World Cup bid, after Patrice Evra’s ban, Rooney’s ban, the Sir Alex Ferguson witch hunt. After David Beckham in 1998 and Rooney in 2006, Gary Neville celebrating and your amusement in England fans singing anti-United songs; I have waited a long, long time to see this bullet fly.
Quote by VasqueIt doesn't matter who wrote it really, he is right in what he says.
Tbh if he does get a lengthy ban it will only be a blessing in disguise, when he plays for England.....does he actually know the words to the national anthem............he's a liability.
Quote by VasqueIt doesn't matter who wrote it really, he is right in what he says.
It don't mater what you say on this thread, the judge & jury have served sentance at the offhand kangaroo court. God forbid a CFC, LFC, MCFC player being made a scapegoat for future England failures.
Quote by VasqueIt doesn't matter who wrote it really, he is right in what he says.
It don't mater what you say on this thread, the judge & jury have served sentance at the offhand kangaroo court. God forbid a CFC, LFC, MCFC player being made a scapegoat for future England failures.
what the fuck are you on about? most people acknowledge Rooney's ability but also the fact that at times he's a twat. Players from the above clubs you've mentioned have, at various stages, been scapegoated in recent times. You'd wanna lose that chip on your shoulder mate, it's weighing you down.
Quote by VasqueIt doesn't matter who wrote it really, he is right in what he says.
Tbh if he does get a lengthy ban it will only be a blessing in disguise, when he plays for England.....does he actually know the words to the national anthem............he's a liability.
I'm not sure what the pathetic words of the hideous national anthem have got to do with owt but I don't blame anyone for not singing that shite. Anyway, I'm sure Rooneys Irish roots mean he isn't too fond of the royals
Quote by VasqueIt doesn't matter who wrote it really, he is right in what he says.
It don't mater what you say on this thread, the judge & jury have served sentance at the offhand kangaroo court. God forbid a CFC, LFC, MCFC player being made a scapegoat for future England failures.
what the fuck are you on about? most people acknowledge Rooney's ability but also the fact that at times he's a twat. Players from the above clubs you've mentioned have, at various stages, been scapegoated in recent times. You'd wanna lose that chip on your shoulder mate, it's weighing you down.
No chip on my shoulder Col, read the last paragraph of the post a mate put on a United fanzine that I have put on here. Much the same in what I said on my first post on this thread, United players are made scapegoats in Englands failures and that is a fact. Any other clubs players and there's a bit of a backlash, never on the scale of what United players recieve, if you think different tell me and if Im wrong I'll apolagise. Because of the backlash United players have had in nearly every major tournament since Beckham got sent of why do you think some United fans have the "you can shove yer fucking England up yer arse".
never watched the game in Question...fell out with football atm....and lets be fair non of the players mentioned in the thread would piss on you if you was on fire
apart from Beckham when he got sent off - what Utd players can you name have been made scapegoats ? I can't recall any , but can remember Lampard getting a lot of abuse from fans , booing him during England games ...
Quote by STEVECFCapart from Beckham when he got sent off - what Utd players can you name have been made scapegoats ? I can't recall any , but can remember Lampard getting a lot of abuse from fans , booing him during England games ...
By your own admission you can't be arsed reading my mates scribe for a United fanzine and it seems like you just want to skip through posts that suits you and blank others. As for Lampard a little abuse nothing to what any of the United players received, the United players being Beckham (which you acknowledged) Neville/Rooney. I was at Wembley the first match after Beckham got sent off with 6 United players on the pitch and 70 % of the crowd that day stood up singing stand up if you hate Man U. How many of them sad cunts cheered when Beckham scored against Greece.
Quote by get the beer inYou blinkered ManUre fans can't see it can you. Die hard fans from Manchester idolizing a scally from, get this.......... Liverpool.
The potato headed, granny shagging twat ain't interested in you, your club or England, it's all about Wayne Rooney.
I ain't idolising him, 1 he's a scouser, 2 he's a cunt for holding the club to ransom. I've never sang the Rooney Rooney song and never will, it amazes me how much all the anyone but United (ABU's) pin their hopes on him for England when there's others on the pitch also, and then scapegoat him if it don't workout for the national side. He's one of the more passionate players playing at the moment wether it's about Wayne Rooney or not that is a fact.
Quote by STEVECFCapart from Beckham when he got sent off - what Utd players can you name have been made scapegoats ? I can't recall any , but can remember Lampard getting a lot of abuse from fans , booing him during England games ...
By your own admission you can't be arsed reading my mates scribe for a United fanzine and it seems like you just want to skip through posts that suits you and blank others. As for Lampard a little abuse nothing to what any of the United players received, the United players being Beckham (which you acknowledged) Neville/Rooney. I was at Wembley the first match after Beckham got sent off with 6 United players on the pitch and 70 % of the crowd that day stood up singing stand up if you hate Man U. How many of them sad cunts cheered when Beckham scored against Greece.
No I can't be arsed reading your boring shit about man utd , but stop acting like a big kid 'cause utd get a bit of stick , reason utd hated so much is mainly down to people like you ... talk about a chip , un fucking real fella .. all I asked you was apart from Beckham what man u players recieve such abuse - you've produced none ... players will get jib from rival fans , part and parcel , utd players scapegoats ? fucking horseshit !!
'I love Wayne Rooney - he is my idol' says it all about that article.
Man Utd fans do seem to have adopted the faux-siege complex of Ferguson and the alleged anti-Utdness they want to believe. Load of hype and bullshit. The FA are in love with Man Utd and the corporate entity business empire they have created. Don't Englandfans dot com or whatever the scheme for tickets is called have Utd as their most supprted club ? Doesnt really fit does it.
Rooney's a cunt who tried to shag your club over for a few more bob, same as 99% of players these days. So what if he gets a slagging for being a prick. Its the right of every football fan to give players stick. Not for being passionate or swearing (who really gives a toss about that), but for being a twat - whatever team they play for.
Quote by STEVECFCapart from Beckham when he got sent off - what Utd players can you name have been made scapegoats ? I can't recall any , but can remember Lampard getting a lot of abuse from fans , booing him during England games ...
By your own admission you can't be arsed reading my mates scribe for a United fanzine and it seems like you just want to skip through posts that suits you and blank others. As for Lampard a little abuse nothing to what any of the United players received, the United players being Beckham (which you acknowledged) Neville/Rooney. I was at Wembley the first match after Beckham got sent off with 6 United players on the pitch and 70 % of the crowd that day stood up singing stand up if you hate Man U. How many of them sad cunts cheered when Beckham scored against Greece.
No I can't be arsed reading your boring shit about man utd , but stop acting like a big kid 'cause utd get a bit of stick , reason utd hated so much is mainly down to people like you ... talk about a chip , un fucking real fella .. all I asked you was apart from Beckham what man u players recieve such abuse - you've produced none ... players will get jib from rival fans , part and parcel , utd players scapegoats ? fucking horseshit !!
Thanks for your imput.
What part of Neville (both Phil and Gary) and Rooney did you not comprende, or are your eyes painted on. I don't remember Lumpard getting any stick but he must have if you say he did. United hated so much because of people like me, why's that then for sticking up for players that play for the club I have supported through thick and thin since 77, home, away, europe and the world club champoinships in Brazil where United where pressurised by the FA to participate in even though the club would be villified for not taking part in that seasons FA Cup. The Cup that CFC won but will always be know as the *FA Cup for that year, the * being for Manchester United did not participate in that seasons FA Cup competion. HORSESHIT indeed.
I watched England on a regular basis , when I stayed in London , and really can't recall Neville's getting much stick - SCAPEGOAT - as you seem to claim . For Beckham his petchulant kick out which saw him get red , the treatment he recieved was absolutely disgusting - I cheered the day he scored against Greece , had no part ever in vile treatment he got . The ' real ' England fans I meet / stood by / ran with , would only turn on a player for a shit performance , the usual stick any player gets for club or country .. Both Cole and Lampard have recieved a lot of bad treatment in England games I've seen , doesn't make me feel England fans are anti Chelsea ... the 70% you claim stood up and sang Hate Man U , probably hate Man Utd for the same reason most fans stand up and sing that song - same way we hated Cantona for his kung foo kick on a fan , Ferdinand refusing drugs test , Rooney for having dollar sings in his eyes rather than the passion for the club that put him right up there , on and on ....
I hate Utd with a passion , always have , and always will , could be a jealousy thing cause of such a massive success , could be the fact I always found an arrogance with Utd and the players ... I'm not a blinkered fan , biased or otherwise .. I recognise Ferguson as probably greatest manager of all time ...
I hate Utd with a passion , always have , and always will , could be a jealousy thing cause of such a massive success , could be the fact I always found an arrogance with Utd and the players ... I'm not a blinkered fan , biased or otherwise .. I recognise Ferguson as probably greatest manager of all time ...
I hate Utd with a passion , always have , and always will , could be a jealousy thing cause of such a massive success , could be the fact I always found an arrogance with Utd and the players ... I'm not a blinkered fan , biased or otherwise .. I recognise Ferguson as probably greatest manager of all time ...
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