those stats are massively flawed. consider how many smack heads, alcoholics, victims of attacks etc are taken in by the old bill. I'm not a fervent supporter of the police but they get a very hard time IMO
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #4those stats are massively flawed. consider how many smack heads, alcoholics, victims of attacks etc are taken in by the old bill. I'm not a fervent supporter of the police but they get a very hard time IMO
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #4those stats are massively flawed. consider how many smack heads, alcoholics, victims of attacks etc are taken in by the old bill. I'm not a fervent supporter of the police but they get a very hard time IMO
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OK, so let's half the stats and take away the ones that 'deserved it'' the mere fact that not one member of the OB has been convicted, that statistic alone is a cause for concern.
I have read that about 16 of the deaths could only be put down to Actual Police brutality and nothing else yet no one was brought to account. It may well be more but other factors could be brought into it. Those figures above are nothing short of a joke. How many people have died after coming into contact with a doctor in A&E?
It tells you nothing only misleads for the thick and gullible to lap up.
PC Harwood was a bad one and should have never been aloud back in. Every one knows his name and what he did and is basically a PR disaster for the Police as all the good work a lot of them have done is now forgotten. Tomlinson's family must be gutted as well.
I have no doubt that a very small % of Police have gone to far and even killed but for some reason juries will not find them guilty. A fare few have ended up in court and all have walked away. It is getting harder for cover ups as CCTV is every where and deaths [ suspicious ones ] in Police custody are falling year on year apparently.
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #4those stats are massively flawed. consider how many smack heads, alcoholics, victims of attacks etc are taken in by the old bill. I'm not a fervent supporter of the police but they get a very hard time IMO
this -
OK, so let's half the stats and take away the ones that 'deserved it'' the mere fact that not one member of the OB has been convicted, that statistic alone is a cause for concern.
Yeah this is the crux of the matter. We know they have to deal with the worst of society and things will happen all the time but to see the fact that not one of them has been deemed responsible for any of these deaths is worrying.
problem is that there not monitered to many young guns with arrogance because there the law and they no that ..my experiance with them in the past very few decent majority all bastards. police brutallity been there with that also there was a big investagation with the local bill back home when they killed a lad in custody ex para thought for this country. left to die with head injury no one was brought to justice and after that they introduced c.c.t.v. in custody sweets.problem is to me they are the law and they need to abide by this and hopefully days have gone when you used to be slapped about in the back of the van and in the cell... the rest no comment
Not anti police, buy it's about time the courts treated them the same as everyone else if anyone else had pushed that fella & was filmed would be looking at 5 years now. I know they deal with some right scum but a innocent middle aged bloke walking home ? No excuse
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #4those stats are massively flawed. consider how many smack heads, alcoholics, victims of attacks etc are taken in by the old bill. I'm not a fervent supporter of the police but they get a very hard time IMO
this -
OK, so let's half the stats and take away the ones that 'deserved it'' the mere fact that not one member of the OB has been convicted, that statistic alone is a cause for concern.
agreed but stats like this cloud the argument and make it into a partisan 'pro' and 'anti' police issue. Ian Tomlinson's death was a tragic case of abuse of power but it shouldn't become a cause against all police officers.
Can only speak as i find and the vast majority i have encountered are cunts of the highest order. Like anything in society,good and bad but from my experiences the majority are bad. How the hell he is still in a job is mindblowing,one word sums him up,bully.
Some are assuming that if a copper is alleged to have committed an assault and is not jailed then he's "got off" with it. It is the easiest thing in the world to make a claim against a copper knowing that there are people who will believe you and champion you without evidence. Unless you were on the jury and sat through every piece of evidence then you can't make a qualified judgement
Quote: xmal wrote in post #19Some are assuming that if a copper is alleged to have committed an assault and is not jailed then he's "got off" with it. It is the easiest thing in the world to make a claim against a copper knowing that there are people who will believe you and champion you without evidence. Unless you were on the jury and sat through every piece of evidence then you can't make a qualified judgement
Referring to Harwood he is guilty of assault, you must have seen the video. Tomlinson was not resisting arrest or was Harwood acting in self defence. That was a clear assault which unfortunately ended with the loss of life. He got off with that and no assumption at all needed.
Thing was, he was charged with manslaughter - not assault. I think this was the CPS overreaching because they were desperate for a high-profile conviction in the high court. Had the CPS been more reasoned then Harwood would be locked up right now.
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problem is that there not monitered to many young guns with arrogance because there the law and they no that ..my experiance with them in the past very few decent majority all bastards. police brutallity been there with that also there was a big investagation with the local bill back home when they killed a lad in custody ex para thought for this country. left to die with head injury no one was brought to justice and after that they introduced c.c.t.v. in custody sweets.problem is to me they are the law and they need to abide by this and hopefully days have gone when you used to be slapped about in the back of the van and in the cell... the rest no comment
sweep it under the carpet and let it go away....
