Almost seems a weekly event in USA . WTF drives these people to commit such henous crimes . Simple as going to a midnight viewing of Batman , and something like this happens , it beggars belief -
I have a mate from Colorado who owns a Type 56 assault rifle, the Chinese version of the AK-47. That's what can happen when you allow the public to access to that kind of fire-power. It's crazy. Shit like this is inevitable.
Thats what happens when you can buy an assault rifle at 18 total madness
Eye's right, skin back tight, bollocks to the front, we're the boy's who make more noise when we're on the cunt, we're the riders of the night, and we'd rather fuck than fight, we're the riders of the Clock end Highbury
We've had two massacres in mainland Britain, both of which resulted in bans on firearms. Some called it knee-jerk but I firmly believe that the bans saved lives. However, the US has gun culture entrenched in its DNA. Whereas we run around with cap guns as kids playing cowboys and indians, many US kids are allowed access to the real thing. Shooting things has become normalised over there and anyone who dares impose some sort of control is demonised as anti-American. Over here, I think we have to be very, very careful. I really don't want us to turn into the US and we really need to hammer gun crime. Twenty years from now I don't want to be looking at headlines about regular shootings in the UK.
The Second Amendment is the cause in my eyes. I'm sure the 'founding fathers' never accounted for machine guns and high powered rifles when they wrote that in.
The Second Amendment was thoroughly justified at the time it was written, it has nothing to do with 'types' of guns. It was a violent place with many dangerous frontiers and folk needed to be able to defend themselves. Those frontiers are long gone so the Second Amendment has long been an outdated idea.
Quote: Vasque wrote in post #8The Second Amendment was thoroughly justified at the time it was written, it has nothing to do with 'types' of guns. It was a violent place with many dangerous frontiers and folk needed to be able to defend themselves. Those frontiers are long gone so the Second Amendment has long been an outdated idea.
Exactly, I'm just saying that I doubt they would have foreseen it still being in use in 2012. Was justified at the time but in modern times it's insane. Especially with the types of weapons you can buy today. I lurk a US music forum and this was recently mentioned. People still believing it's their right to be armed, blew my mind.
Quote: Vasque wrote in post #8The Second Amendment was thoroughly justified at the time it was written, it has nothing to do with 'types' of guns. It was a violent place with many dangerous frontiers and folk needed to be able to defend themselves. Those frontiers are long gone so the Second Amendment has long been an outdated idea.
Exactly, I'm just saying that I doubt they would have foreseen it still being in use in 2012. Was justified at the time but in modern times it's insane. Especially with the types of weapons you can buy today. I lurk a US music forum and this was recently mentioned. People still believing it's their right to be armed, blew my mind.
The power that the NRA holds in America is frightening, nothing will ever change there.
Not sure if I've posted these before but I spent a week or so at the Truman Presidential Library in Independence in April. The town was as middle American as you can get and like a lot of towns in the mid-west its city center had long been replaced by an out of town mall. One of the few shops left was, of course, a pawn brokers which specialised in fire arms. Taking pictures wasn't strictly allowed so the quality is pretty gash but these give you an idea of their stock.
Mad to think that even in a small town you can buy guns that have no practical purpose other than killing as many people in as short a space as possible.
Never change over here they fucking love it and think we're absolutely crackers in the uk. My best mate here owns a conveniance store,the stories I could tell you.Actually its Mikey B some of the lads met him on the Offhand meet last December ,he was over in Sheffield for the Smashing Pumpkins show. Poor lad came with in seconds of blowing off a kids head in a shop robbery this summer.Glad in so many ways he didn't although the cops said he had every right to do it and couldn't understand why he didn't.!!!!!! Kid in question had a knife in my mates side and was quickly covered in shit (his own) when my mate stuck the shooter under his chin.Right mess!
as I grew up through the troubles in Northern Ireland , and was there during them , never in my lifetime did I think they would be resolved - though they are not fully - times have changed there .. it all has to start somewhere , something has to give , difficult decisions made , so change can happen .. I know it's a totally different thing , but same principal ...
Quote: STEVECFC wrote in post #15as I grew up through the troubles in Northern Ireland , and was there during them , never in my lifetime did I think they would be resolved - though they are not fully - times have changed there .. it all has to start somewhere , something has to give , difficult decisions made , so change can happen .. I know it's a totally different thing , but same principal ...
Agree, I never thought that the troubles would be solved (certainly not to the degree they have been). If there is a will then there is a way. That was the case in NI but I don't think the will is there in the US.
true - I work with a good few Americans , they all say they'd never give up their guns , or if any laws were made , all they'd do is hide them somewhere ... think it's too ingrained into their DNA ...
Beggars the mind, really, pretty much all of the Americans I know are decent hard working folks but when it comes to guns it seems as if many of them lose the plot- hunting weapons are common place in Canada but not sidearms and assault weapons, indeed, those only show up here when smuggled in from the USA- and they ALWAYS seem to cause problems
Quote: mkj1972 wrote in post #5The worrying thing is that WE are becoming more like America every day.
North America and South America is fine its just the US government thats the problem. Run by Psychos America is a continent after all and we will never be like US and if we were it would only be a fad.
Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #20http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19138754
for fucks sake....
And the sales of guns will increase significantly in Oak Creek after this latest massacre just like they did in Aurora after the cinema shootings. It truly is one fucked-up country.
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