Actually S from 97 untill Roman took over Chelsea won 2 FA cups, a league cup and 2 trophies in Europe as well as finising in the top 5 or 6 each season. Agree though they wouldnt be where they are now though without the money as they would have most likely been left behind by the other clubs at the top.
Quote: Wolves88 wrote in post #51Actually S from 97 untill Roman took over Chelsea won 2 FA cups, a league cup and 2 trophies in Europe as well as finising in the top 5 or 6 each season. Agree though they wouldnt be where they are now though without the money as they would have most likely been left behind by the other clubs at the top.
I take it back then, I can only blame my abused brain over the years. We still won 2 more fa cups than you before roman. But still, a small club comment from a Chelsea fan, I'd take that from a united, pool, arsenal, but not from a Chelsea fan, deluded.
Just because the Premiership is fucked doesn't mean football is. The majority of this thread has been people saying that football is dead because the premiership is ruined through money. I don't think many people have actually read the initial post.
Football is so much more than Manchester United and Chelsea.
Quote: soul_stylist wrote in post #54Just because the Premiership is fucked doesn't mean football is. The majority of this thread has been people saying that football is dead because the premiership is ruined through money. I don't think many people have actually read the initial post.
Football is so much more than Manchester United and Chelsea.
You have to realise though that you've just had a last minute winner against your local club while being able to stand as a group with all the lads on terracing. That doesn't happen for the majority of football supporters so it is different.
Quote: soul_stylist wrote in post #54Just because the Premiership is fucked doesn't mean football is. The majority of this thread has been people saying that football is dead because the premiership is ruined through money. I don't think many people have actually read the initial post.
Football is so much more than Manchester United and Chelsea.
You have to realise though that you've just had a last minute winner against your local club while being able to stand as a group with all the lads on terracing. That doesn't happen for the majority of football supporters so it is different.
What's that really got to do with anything? You can get last minute winners against your local club in any division, it's not a miraculous once in a life time scenario.
And just because that feeling is different when you're sat next to some whopper at old trafford or wherever who you've never met, does that mean the feeling is diluted at a lower level?
Back to my point, just because money has ruined the top division doesn't mean football is dead. On the contrary, it's very much alive and well.
Quote: Turtle wrote in post #15I think when you have a good look around you'll get one or 2 good matches a season but being a west brom lad the playing to keep the numbers up for the premier league in our fight for mid table mediocrity doesn't appeal to me, when we beat Sunderland last week the first thing they said was "40 points that's Albion safe this year" and I thought is that really what I can hope my club will achieve? It's not like it was you can't go anywhere and do what you want so away matches in the league on the top 2/3 tiers are just completely pointless, ill always have my spot for Newport County from going with Saul so I know it's different that end but for the majority of us what can we look forward to ? The clubs are in the hands of business men and foreign owners who want a toy to play with, it's the equivalent of a big adult train set for them, the goings on at Cardiff make me sick, the fact that bigger local clubs never wanted to help bail out smaller local clubs with the likes of Chester going bump again is a sad state of affairs. Is it the football that makes you happy ? Or do you and your mates make it what it is ? I think we all know the answer, so in terms of us football really dead ? Unless you are top 4 of the premier league the answers yes. How can the football league stand by and watch what's happening to Blackburn and Cardiff amongst others and not step in for the good of the club ? Because money talks. And the only people who see the benefits of that are the players who don't give a stuff on 50k a week and the people with money in them who would sell their own mothers for more shares. It's garbage.
When were West Brom last challenging for silverware? That isn't a modern football thing.
Mid 70's to mid 80's before we hit rock bottom under Ron Saunders and went down to the third divison. Of course its a modern football thing, the money has taken over and money goes to money, big players go where the money is and your lot are only there because you have a Russian billionaire owner who's paid for you to be there and that's not going to change any time soon. What were Chelsea before that ? Every single season will be top 6 of Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and then either Liverpool or Everton. That's modern football and it won't change because of the money especially from this year because when the new money arrangement comes into force from Sky this next season there is no going back. That leaves us with what ? fighting for a europa league place or to finish as high as we can for more money, it's shit and your deluded if you think otherwise. Like I said it's lovely for the clubs with billionaire owners but for the rest it's garbage.
We were winning FA Cups, League Cups, Cup Winners Cup, came close to the title in 1999 finishing 4 points behind United.
How many times did Liverpool win the league in the 70's and 80's? The big clubs have always dominated.
Mid 80's you finished 17th, 12th and 22nd. Nothing much has changed then. Small clubs can still win trophies, look at Swansea.
True small clubs can win trophies (Though I'm so desperate for us to win something the Zenith Data Systems cup would do). I think the days have gone when a club from the lower divisions can win the league. In the old days, with a couple of shrewd buys and decent tactics, anyone could (more or less) win it. I think know, with each year, hope is lost that that can happen. Still, I think you're right, the big clubs have always been more successful than small clubs.
I support my club because there is a long family tradition and it was my local club when growing up. You go to football for the buzz and the day out, winning trophies is a bonus.
Football is obviously less competitive due to financial disparity, the Premier League ruined that, but the majority of fans went years without seeing their club win trophies even in the good old days.
Wilksy You've missed my point, I'm saying you've just had all that on Tuesday night, so for you life is great but for those of us (the majority) who go to all seater stadiums and have to sit where your ticket is held don't have that outlook, you were there tuesday night with all the boys having a good laugh standing up on terraces going mental when you score and that just doesn't really happen in the bigger leagues. So it's got everything to do with it in terms if a supporters/lads view of going to the match.
Quote: Turtle wrote in post #58Wilksy You've missed my point, I'm saying you've just had all that on Tuesday night, so for you life is great but for those of us (the majority) who go to all seater stadiums and have to sit where your ticket is held don't have that outlook, you were there tuesday night with all the boys having a good laugh standing up on terraces going mental when you score and that just doesn't really happen in the bigger leagues. So it's got everything to do with it in terms if a supporters/lads view of going to the match.
I think you're missing my point as I haven't disagreed with anyone who sits in an all seater stadium saying that they don't feel the same as what I do.
I've basically said that football isn't dead outside soul-less lego stadiums and corporate sky packages.
Who's fault football is dead/dying? Ours, the supporters. We go every week pay the £40/£50 for a ticket so the business men think I know, we can bump the ticket price up again they'll still come, if they don't then someone else will. Simple really
Why do people call it "modern football" its football.. most lads who call it that are around 20+ age anyway so they only know 1 football its not like theyve seen the 70s and seen it change and become a game made on money.
Seen that FFP will come into the Premiership alot of clubs voted for that and most fans will be happy. Why? It'll only make it worse, teams need to make money 1 way or another and it'll be to fleece the fans yet again. Its all very narrow minded to stop teams being able to upset the "top 4" like City did.
Oh Man City, the only football team to come from Manchester
Quote: nothavinit wrote in post #45Mid 80's you finished 17th, 12th and 22nd. Nothing much has changed then. Small clubs can still win trophies, look at Swansea.
Obviously because Chelsea have won some, what were Chelsea before Roman ? seriously ? because the last time you won the fa cup before he took over was 1970 which was 2 years after the last time we won the cup. What was Chelsea before the money ? answer is nothing, fact is the clubs with big money owners rule the premier and British football and they will always be there now, it will never change and thats my point about modern football. Chelseas history before the money man took over was less than Albions and you can't tell me differently.
Oh dear.
Chelsea have always been a big club historically, albeit not a very successful one. Chelsea have the 5th highest all time average league attendance (31,322 as of 2009), above more successful clubs, and 4 of the top 10 attendances in league football were at Stamford Bridge, that is a testament to the size of our fan base historically.
LOL Bang on Saul when we dropped in to the blue square trips to places like Aldershot York Wycombe thats football taking 150 to West Ham cold tuesday night and drinking around Liverpool street, Luton mid week dark alleys and noise everywhere personally give me lower league football any day proper football and proper lads. Im not disrespecting the modern fan but when I see mums dads and kids bedecked in stone island it just baffles me.
Quote: WeAreUs wrote in post #60Who's fault football is dead/dying? Ours, the supporters. We go every week pay the £40/£50 for a ticket so the business men think I know, we can bump the ticket price up again they'll still come, if they don't then someone else will. Simple really
Why do people call it "modern football" its football.. most lads who call it that are around 20+ age anyway so they only know 1 football its not like theyve seen the 70s and seen it change and become a game made on money.
Seen that FFP will come into the Premiership alot of clubs voted for that and most fans will be happy. Why? It'll only make it worse, teams need to make money 1 way or another and it'll be to fleece the fans yet again. Its all very narrow minded to stop teams being able to upset the "top 4" like City did.
I think anyone who has experienced the change from terraces to seats and remembers the premier starting and the money taking over is allowed to make those statements, man city are another club again only there because its paid for. The clubs I've mentioned won't care really and I expect the replies that's been said, but the divide is huge now and there's no way of getting near the top 4 without money and that's how it will always be. It wouldn't bother me if united, city and Chelsea left and made a European league now like it was rumoured, because they are so established and backed its just pointless. And the argument about football being dead or not and this ultimate scramble to go up a league I'm at a point now where I know all we do is make footballers and owners rich, it's not for us anymore from all the points I've stated. People go on about the buzz, what buzz is actually there now ? That buzz will get you 18 months as standard, if you are talking about someone who goes up the match and sits on his seat with his Pepsi max and his programme and sits there and claps his way through 90 minutes and watches a win every other game then I'm sure he loves it but in general it's pretty gash.
I've been to 1 Walsall home game in 3 years, in the same time i've probably made it to about 6 away games at most....I feel a small guilt about it, but as i grew older my interest in actually watching football dwindled.
I may be part of the problem....Also we're on a good run at the moment....and im considering starting to go to a few games before the end of the season.....But I'll feel a bit of a twat for turning up now the teams fortunes have changed.....But i was there when we got relegated to league 2 etc.....Mixed feelings.
Quote: soul_stylist wrote in post #54Just because the Premiership is fucked doesn't mean football is. The majority of this thread has been people saying that football is dead because the premiership is ruined through money. I don't think many people have actually read the initial post.
Football is so much more than Manchester United and Chelsea.
Hence my statement "at least in the Premier league anyway."
Quote: soul_stylist wrote in post #66That wasn't necessarily aimed at you, just every other Tom Dick and Harry moaning about all seater stadiums and how football isn't like it used to be.
If you'd have named it "Is football really dead in non league" we wouldn't be moaning about the top tiers you big plum but you left it wide open. It will always be better in the lower leagues, I just touched on the point that it come's off the back of taking 1200 to your local rivals and scoring in the last minute to win 3-2 while standing on terraces with all the boys in one place and leaving County wide open for top of the league while running rings in the town centre, it doesn't get much better than that but it doesn't happen like that any more in the leagues above.
Of course this thread comes off the back of a quality night where we got to run around the town centre, stand on terraces, go berserk and blah blah blah, that was precisely the point why I posted it, pointing out that football isn't dead even if you don't get to do the same with West Brom or whoever.
The thread is wide open for debate but the answer obviously depends on what side of the coin you are - you don't bother any more, which is fair enough and you have your opinion like all the other lads who follow a top division side but my point is that, just because you can't do the same at the hawthorns or wherever, it doesn't automatically make football dead full stop - which is the stance that a lot of people have in this thread.
Quote: soul_stylist wrote in post #68Of course this thread comes off the back of a quality night where we got to run around the town centre, stand on terraces, go berserk and blah blah blah, that was precisely the point why I posted it, pointing out that football isn't dead even if you don't get to do the same with West Brom or whoever.
The thread is wide open for debate but the answer obviously depends on what side of the coin you are - you don't bother any more, which is fair enough and you have your opinion like all the other lads who follow a top division side but my point is that, just because you can't do the same at the hawthorns or wherever, it doesn't automatically make football dead full stop - which is the stance that a lot of people have in this thread.
Quote: Chinese_alan wrote in post #64I've been to 1 Walsall home game in 3 years, in the same time i've probably made it to about 6 away games at most....I feel a small guilt about it, but as i grew older my interest in actually watching football dwindled.
I may be part of the problem....Also we're on a good run at the moment....and im considering starting to go to a few games before the end of the season.....But I'll feel a bit of a twat for turning up now the teams fortunes have changed.....But i was there when we got relegated to league 2 etc.....Mixed feelings.
Hey Woz get up to the game on Easter Monday and see an away support take over your ground ,haha just joking mate,tickets flying out,heard they are moving some off your home fans to accommodate all of us,can't wait be a cracking day specially as you playing so well at mo....
Quote: Chinese_alan wrote in post #64I've been to 1 Walsall home game in 3 years, in the same time i've probably made it to about 6 away games at most....I feel a small guilt about it, but as i grew older my interest in actually watching football dwindled.
I may be part of the problem....Also we're on a good run at the moment....and im considering starting to go to a few games before the end of the season.....But I'll feel a bit of a twat for turning up now the teams fortunes have changed.....But i was there when we got relegated to league 2 etc.....Mixed feelings.
Hey Woz get up to the game on Easter Monday and see an away support take over your ground ,haha just joking mate,tickets flying out,heard they are moving some off your home fans to accommodate all of us,can't wait be a cracking day specially as you playing so well at mo....
What are they doing mate ? Giving you two stands ? It makes pure economic sense in fairness to Walsall, have 1000 empty seats or 1000 paying customers, so fair play to Cov if they are going to fill it !!
Not read all the posts in this thread but if anybody has already said it I apologise,I think Roy Keane was right about the prawn sandwich brigade a few years back & it's got fucking worse. Think the lower league clubs have great atmospheres been to a few games at various places over the country even non league the atmosphere is always great unlike the premiership.
Quote: Chinese_alan wrote in post #64I've been to 1 Walsall home game in 3 years, in the same time i've probably made it to about 6 away games at most....I feel a small guilt about it, but as i grew older my interest in actually watching football dwindled.
I may be part of the problem....Also we're on a good run at the moment....and im considering starting to go to a few games before the end of the season.....But I'll feel a bit of a twat for turning up now the teams fortunes have changed.....But i was there when we got relegated to league 2 etc.....Mixed feelings.
Hey Woz get up to the game on Easter Monday and see an away support take over your ground ,haha just joking mate,tickets flying out,heard they are moving some off your home fans to accommodate all of us,can't wait be a cracking day specially as you playing so well at mo....
What are they doing mate ? Giving you two stands ? It makes pure economic sense in fairness to Walsall, have 1000 empty seats or 1000 paying customers, so fair play to Cov if they are going to fill it !!
I'll hopefully be going......Hopefully !!
Yes mate having the 2 stands,think it equates to 3400,if your about let me know may have a beer..
I think there'll be a market for the big all-seater stadiums, £60 tickets, corporate boxes etc. for years to come.
Maybe we should have a system like in Germany where the big sides have 2nd and 3rd string teams that play in the lower leagues. If you want to stand on a terrace, watch at 3pm on Saturday every week, and pay a reasonable entrance fee- you go and watch Man Utd 3. Just a thought anyway.
Just caught a bit of classic football on one of the ITV chanels. Wolves vs Shrewsbury FA Cup quarter final 1979, absolute mudbath of a pitch, the place packed, looked fantastic. No one cares about the FA Cup anymore, fans, managers, players, no one. Really can't stand this fielding weakened teams business that has creeped in over the past how many years, FA Cup should be the biggest games of the season! Not Super Sunday shite.
Just to add my thoughts - atmosphere of none league is a big myth, we (York) have just escaped after 8 long dark years and there was nothing romantic travelling to pub and village teams infront of 500 fans and getting dicked. Novelty soon wore off.
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