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The people taking the piss are the bankers and capitalists. We are paying for their crisis with savage cuts on our living standards while they continue to make even more profit.

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In an attempt to reverse the impression the country is being pushed towards unreasonable austerity, he will claim the measures announced this month will mean nine out of 10 working households (around 14m households) will be better off by, on average, almost £300 a year.

Osborne includes in this calculation the £1,335 increase in the personal allowance, freezing of council tax and fuel duty, and limiting many benefit rises to 1% this year. His figures do not include the unemployed.

Labour said IFS figures show that the average family will be £891 worse off this year because of the cumulative effect of tax and benefit changes since 2010.

The Resolution Foundation, in a new report, warns that Osborne's plans to introduce universal credit, merging different benefits, will undermine the impact of personal allowances. More than two-thirds of the benefit of a tax cut will be taken away from a universal credit claimant and returned immediately to government. Universal credit, merging six different benefits, is due to be phased in this year.

Its warning also applies to Labour's plan for a 10p starting rate of income tax, and suggests the whole political class has not yet found a way to integrate its flagship reforms into a coherent tax and welfare package. In a new report it says: "Tax cuts will not, in large part, reach low to middle income working households. This is because universal credit is calculated on the basis of net income, meaning that any tax cut that boosts a household's income also reduces their UC support. Put another way, any tax cut will give with one hand and take away immediately most of the gains with the other. No party has questioned this basic aspect of UC's design."

The report argues: "A tax allowance hike of £1,000 would be expected to lead to a gain of £200 in post-tax income. However, this increase in post-tax income leads to a reduction of £130 in universal credit, and therefore a net gain of just £70. This means that rather than every taxpayer gaining a flat rate £200, those in the greatest need gain barely a third of this amount – while those higher up, and not in receipt of universal credit, gain the full amount."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/socie...y-2013040264369

At least half the money spent on the welfare state goes to people who paid for it with their own taxes. This 'churning' of tax and welfare makes people dependent on government who need not be. If we were allowed to keep more of our own money, we could provide more for ourselves and our dependents. Politicians would then find it more difficult to bribe us with our own money.

Tax evasion cost the government £69.9 billion in 2010 and benefit fraud just over £1 billion yet the government would rather go after the poor than their rich friends.

Divide and Conquer at it's best!

Atleast 1p has been knocked off the price of a pint....move on nothing to see here

Our welfare state is being transformed under false pretences | UK news | guardian.co.uk - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-norther...22/nhs-benefits

Good read!

the guy makes me laugh .. how could he live on £53.a week this coming from a cunt born with silver spoon up is arse.ye right . problem is in my opinion enviroment culture . we live in a generation where its ok not to work . teenage pregnancy is at its highest eduction is managed bye burea idiots offsted... cut backs every where. us that do work are over taxed over worked .and a goverment who dont care about the people never have ..mp's should walk a day in the life of some folk and see what despair and poverty really is ... country is giong to the dogs i try and stay optamistic within soceity as a whole but realistically its gettin worse . we have a great health service but in regards to jobs not good ... you have a young lad wanting to learn a trade funding for this cut .. on flip side young lad see's dad and mum never worked learnt behavior .. no posative influence the lad would rather watch tv stay inn bed smoke weed and drink as said broken britain..its to easy for folk to live off the state however i do feel for the genuine folk out there and the elderly .. the system is broke and needs fixin..

shows how far away from reality these cunts are ..

Quote: redmond wrote in post #31

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i drive home from work and the same jobless scrounging cunts are in the same bars every night, i cant do that

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Quote: Vasque wrote in post #27

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Quote: nothavinit wrote in post #22

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The people taking the piss are the bankers and capitalists. We are paying for their crisis with savage cuts on our living standards while they continue to make even more profit.

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I agree but this isn't about taking sides. Just because the rich elite are milking us dry doesn't mean that the benefit cheats and scroungers should be left to continue getting away with it.

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in a nutshell
i drive home from work and the same jobless scrounging cunts are in the same bars every night, i cant do that and my tax is paying for it, like i said i dont know the answers but something had to give

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I know the ones I see coming home from work in the bars as I grew up with them and the same scroungers are now in Portugal for the Newcastle game

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I know the ones I see coming home from work in the bars as I grew up with them and the same scroungers are now in Portugal for the Newcastle game

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Quote: Dempsey wrote in post #39

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I know the ones I see coming home from work in the bars as I grew up with them and the same scroungers are now in Portugal for the Newcastle game

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If is so easy why don't you do it? How much do you think they're getting?

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Quote: sauzee88 wrote in post #40

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Quote: Dempsey wrote in post #39

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I know the ones I see coming home from work in the bars as I grew up with them and the same scroungers are now in Portugal for the Newcastle game

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If is so easy why don't you do it? How much do you think they're getting?

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. Why would I want to become a scrounger or a benefit cheat? And you tell me how much there getting as your the one defending these lazy twats

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Families '£891 per year worse off' - Money - http://m.money.aol.co.uk/2013/04/03/fami...ney%7CDL_1_link

My mum has a condition that has caused her sight to degenerate over time. She hasn't been allowed or able to drive for 12 years or so. Her disability benefit has been removed, this is someone who's worked as a teacher and paid into the system for over 40 years. And can't see a time when she'll be able to retire as the government puts the retirement age back on a yearly basis. I don't often go all Daily Mail but it's a fucking joke.

One thing I do know Sauzee is that it cost over £300 for the trip to Portugal and they don't work and your defending it,and no I don't read the Mail

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My mum has a condition that has caused her sight to degenerate over time. She hasn't been allowed or able to drive for 12 years or so. Her disability benefit has been removed, this is someone who's worked as a teacher and paid into the system for over 40 years. And can't see a time when she'll be able to retire as the government puts the retirement age back on a yearly basis. I don't often go all Daily Mail but it's a fucking joke.

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It’s about time a government had the balls to cut benefits. It isn’t perfect but nothing ever would be.

It should pay to work not to be on benefits.

The tax avoidance issue is completely separate and I hope they go after them as well.

I don’t want to pay for the lazy and there are a lot of them, to many.
I also don’t want to pay for all the migrants coming in from the EU.

Setting that aside the UK can not afford it any more and it has to stop. We can and do blame the bankers and the global collapse that happened for much of this but it has happened and we have to deal with it.

I am all ears for a different solution to saving millions from the public spending and changing culture of spongers.

Bottom line we are spending a lot more than comes in and it can not go on.

Same bloke drinks in the pub (I work in) everyday, 9am-9pm, known him for years, decent enough like but fuck me after about 20 pints of John smiths a day at 2.29 a pint, never worked a day in his life, I don't understand how he can afford it, majority of his family are the same. Boggles my mind. All in all I'd rather work for a living rather than live off the social, but that's just how I've been brought up. Still, the social is needed for the less fortunate, but changes are needed imo

If they stopped JSA it would make these lazy cunts we speak of actually get off of their arse and look for a job, these are the people who are happy enough to sit and watch Jezza Kyle all day while silly bollocks here pays for them to do say, brilliant.