Quote: L.J wrote in post #52Too many Tory gobshites on here.
I see your from Merseyside?
Then you'll remember that great campaigner for the working classes, the voice of the people who with the help of the people of Liverpool tried to bring down the Tory Government. The man who almost bankrupt the city, whilst making himself a millionaire in the process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton
All that this thread proves is what we already knew - all politicians are tossers.
I mean look at the Royal Mail sell-off. Osbourne's best man makes a quick £36M from it and no one seems bothered at all. The UK public were subject to a huge fraud and it was all done openly and without shame.
Quote: Victorinox wrote in post #43http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-councillor-dave-small-suspended-over-claims-he-made-racist-and-homophobic-comments-on-facebook-9442466.html
Quote: L.J wrote in post #52Too many Tory gobshites on here.
I see your from Merseyside?
Then you'll remember that great campaigner for the working classes, the voice of the people who with the help of the people of Liverpool tried to bring down the Tory Government. The man who almost bankrupt the city, whilst making himself a millionaire in the process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton
Socialist's, I've shit 'em!
Slightly reductionist view there. Hatton was expelled from Labour, left the council and years later became a property developer in Cyprus. The two had absolutely fuck all to do with each other.
No doubt you think Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson were/are socialists?
Quote: L.J wrote in post #52Too many Tory gobshites on here.
I see your from Merseyside?
Then you'll remember that great campaigner for the working classes, the voice of the people who with the help of the people of Liverpool tried to bring down the Tory Government. The man who almost bankrupt the city, whilst making himself a millionaire in the process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton
Socialist's, I've shit 'em!
Slightly reductionist view there. Hatton was expelled from Labour, left the council and years later became a property developer in Cyprus. The two had absolutely fuck all to do with each other.
No doubt you think Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson were/are socialists?
Quote: L.J wrote in post #52Too many Tory gobshites on here.
I see your from Merseyside?
Then you'll remember that great campaigner for the working classes, the voice of the people who with the help of the people of Liverpool tried to bring down the Tory Government. The man who almost bankrupt the city, whilst making himself a millionaire in the process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton
Socialist's, I've shit 'em!
Slightly reductionist view there. Hatton was expelled from Labour, left the council and years later became a property developer in Cyprus. The two had absolutely fuck all to do with each other.
No doubt you think Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson were/are socialists?
The Fabian Society is a British socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means. It is best known for its initial ground-breaking work beginning late in the 19th century and continuing up to World War I. The society laid many of the foundations of the Labour Party and subsequently affected the policies of states emerging from the decolonisation of the British Empire, especially India. Today, the society is a vanguard think tank of the New Labour movement. It is one of 15 socialist societies affiliated to the Labour Party. Similar societies exist in Australia (the Australian Fabian Society), Canada (the Douglas-Coldwell Foundation and in the past the League for Social Reconstruction) and New Zealand. Immediately upon its inception, the Fabian Society began attracting many prominent contemporary figures drawn to its socialist cause, including George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells, Annie Besant, Graham Wallas, Hubert Bland, Edith Nesbit, Sydney Olivier, Oliver Lodge, Leonard Woolf and Virginia Woolf, Ramsay MacDonald and Emmeline Pankhurst. Even Bertrand Russell briefly became a member, but resigned after he expressed his belief that the Society’s principle of entente (in this case, countries allying themselves against Germany) could lead to war. At the core of the Fabian Society were Sidney and Beatrice Webb. Together, they wrote numerous studies of industrial Britain, including alternative co-operative economics that applied to ownership of capital as well as land. The first Fabian Society pamphlets advocating tenets of social justice coincided with the zeitgeist of Liberal reforms during the early 1900s. The Fabian proposals however were considerably more progressive than those that were enacted in the Liberal reform legislation. The Fabians lobbied for the introduction of a minimum wage in 1906, for the creation of a universal health care system in 1911 and for the abolition of hereditary peerages in 1917[3]. Fabian socialists were in favour of an imperialist foreign policy as a conduit for internationalist reform and a welfare state modelled on the Bismarckian German model; they criticised Gladstonian liberalism both for its individualism at home and its internationalism abroad. They favoured a national minimum wage in order to stop British industries compensating for their inefficiency by lowering wages instead of investing in capital equipment; slum clearances and a health service in order for “the breeding of even a moderately Imperial race” which would be more productive and better militarily than the “stunted, anaemic, demoralised denizens…of our great cities”; and a national education system because “it is in the class-rooms that the future battles of the Empire for commercial prosperity are already being lost”[4]. The Fabians also favored the nationalisation of land, believing that rents collected by landowners were unearned, an idea which drew heavily from the work of American economist Henry George. Many Fabians participated in the formation of the Labour Party in 1900 and the group’s constitution, written by Sidney Webb, borrowed heavily from the founding documents of the Fabian Society. At the Labour Party Foundation Conference in 1900, the Fabian Society claimed 861 members and sent one delegate.
Quote: Victorinox wrote in post #43http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-councillor-dave-small-suspended-over-claims-he-made-racist-and-homophobic-comments-on-facebook-9442466.html
Quote: L.J wrote in post #52Too many Tory gobshites on here.
I see your from Merseyside?
Then you'll remember that great campaigner for the working classes, the voice of the people who with the help of the people of Liverpool tried to bring down the Tory Government. The man who almost bankrupt the city, whilst making himself a millionaire in the process! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton
Socialist's, I've shit 'em!
Slightly reductionist view there. Hatton was expelled from Labour, left the council and years later became a property developer in Cyprus. The two had absolutely fuck all to do with each other.
No doubt you think Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson were/are socialists?
I were merely using Hatton as a prime example of a 'Socialist' speaking up for the down trodden and his hatred of the man in the big house on the top of the hill. Whilst harbouring a deep desire to be, that man!
Quote: Victorinox wrote in post #43http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-councillor-dave-small-suspended-over-claims-he-made-racist-and-homophobic-comments-on-facebook-9442466.html
Quote: YeOldeHamiltonian wrote in post #62Labour 25,George Robertson,Fettesgate Brown.....All covered up.Every party has skeletons.
hence I hate them all......
these 2 obvious ones from the last 2 days..... awful good of them though to give us "the gist" of the Iraq war correspondence with Blair and the abomination that is 'dubia'....
you couldn't make this shit up, honestly. Dan Brown books sound less fantastic by the day....
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
Quote: YeOldeHamiltonian wrote in post #62Labour 25,George Robertson,Fettesgate Brown.....All covered up.Every party has skeletons.
hence I hate them all......
these 2 obvious ones from the last 2 days..... awful good of them though to give us "the gist" of the Iraq war correspondence with Blair and the abomination that is 'dubia'....
Not really into politics but how I see it is, labour seem to be doing ok but secretly bankrupting the country, Tories look after the wealthy & vote ukip & you are branded a racist , you cannot win!
Quote: YeOldeHamiltonian wrote in post #62Labour 25,George Robertson,Fettesgate Brown.....All covered up.Every party has skeletons.
hence I hate them all......
these 2 obvious ones from the last 2 days..... awful good of them though to give us "the gist" of the Iraq war correspondence with Blair and the abomination that is 'dubia'....
no chance mate. Even if I agreed with a modicum of that argument (that in the late 70s/early 80s normal people would in anyway think raping kids was fine....) why wasn't Smith outed long after that. Wasn't like he gave it up in the 70s Fat filthy cunt who ruined countless lives and yet cunts sat and praised him a couple of years back when he was 80. it would be laughable if it wasn't so shocking.
I see that article mentions Elm Guest House....another super cover up. Leon Brittain wont get named until he's worm food. And then everyone can feign shock horror again.
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
Quote: Victorinox wrote in post #43http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-councillor-dave-small-suspended-over-claims-he-made-racist-and-homophobic-comments-on-facebook-9442466.html