Quote by RVP's Left FootYet. Whatever your opinion on Terry, he is absolutely vital to this Chelsea side and he has been a complete leader of men at the club since assuming captaincy way back when. Terry is no saint, many people find him odious but I can assure you one thing - if he was called Terence John, came from Berkshire and played rugby for WASPs he wouldn't have received an ounce of bad press. Much of the (unjustified in many cases) bad press aimed at Terry, Cole, Rooney et al is, in my opinion, because of they are from working class backgrounds, uneducated and easy targets.
Colm, you normally speak sense but on this occassion you are way off. Terry, Cole and Rooney are scumbags - you can't blame the press for the way the three of that cunts behave on and off the pitch. They make themselves easy targets by their actions. never see Frank Lampard getting the bad press that the other three get. Never ask yourself why ?
Terry is a hero for you Chelsea lads and I can see why.
But he is a grade A tosser - who thinks he can do whatever he wants and use privacy laws and injunctions to keep it all private. If he is guilty of the racist accusations - the FA should crucify the cunt. [/quote]
RVP - Frank Lampard was privately educated. You do the social artithmetic. And as for what should happen if Terry is found guilt? Have a read of my post above and tell me if you still think I'm way off the mark!
Quote by Horse & Houndthis thread is a depressing read, like something of the 606 forums....
there ain't nobody forcing you to read it, is these? and this part of the forum is labelled 'outside of our world' so topics like this are up for discusion. Simple as.
Quote by Horse & Houndthis thread is a depressing read, like something of the 606 forums....
there ain't nobody forcing you to read it, is these? and this part of the forum is labelled 'outside of our world' so topics like this are up for discusion. Simple as.
is it just me has no idea what 'inside our world' and 'outside our world' actually means? is it to do with shoes?
Quote by nefca leader of men. I love this phrase. he's a footballer not an army general
a cliche in football? whatever next......
right, I'm off 'early doors' to our Xmas Dinner.....
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
Quote by L.JVasque your a boring get drop the self pity nonsense.
What do you want the club to do ? Come out and say they don't support their star player fully.
Your "King" said this a few weeks back - "The person who said it or the accuser should be punished". He said it because he felt the goofy cunt would get off with it. So Suarez gets found guilty and he comes out like a little kid with a Suarez t-shirt on. If you don't see the problem with LFC defending fully without any kind of punishment or statement of apology someone who has racially abused another player then there is no hope for you or the other deluded cunts that follow your club. You are making out that Suarez is a victim in all of this. If this was a reserve team player worth about £100,000 LFC would have shipped him out no problem but the fact he is your star player is why he is being "defended". Transparent as fuck.
Decent article here:
The Page That Has Briefly Poked Our Head Out
One might hope that Liverpool would have reacted to the Suarez verdict with some dignity. No dice...
Some Dignity, Please Liverpool FC were founded in 1892. They've been in existence for nearly 120 years. One would expect a club of such history and tradition to react to even the biggest setback with a degree of dignity, maturity and responsibility.
However, their statement in response to the Luis Suarez verdict read like it was written by a nine-year-old child whose ice cream has just been knocked out of their hand.
Let's take it point by point:
'We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone...'
Well, we'll stop you right there. Thanks to interviews given by the man himself and information very well leaked to the media by we don't know who (but can take a decent guess), Suarez admitted calling Evra 'something his team-mates at Manchester call him', so the use of the word was never in question.
'It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.'
Jesus, we thought this was just the domain of ill-informed idiots on the internet. For what is hopefully the final time, Evra has been caught up in racism rows twice before this incident. On neither of those occasions did Evra make the accusation.
'It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.'
We'll say this slowly - the FA did not charge Suarez with 'being a racist'. They charged him with using racist language. A man does not have to be 'a racist' to use racist language.
'Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black...He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.'
Seriously? The 'some of my best friends' argument? And as some have already pointed out, claiming a man cannot be racist because his grandfather was black is a little like saying he cannot be misogynist because he had a grandmother.
'We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.'
Ah, the classic trick of trying to flip around the blame. Are you trying to defend your man or simply say the other guy was just as bad? Also, we're handing out credit for 'not lying about hearing something you didn't' now, are we?
Football365 has not taken a stand on this matter because we have no idea what actually happened and without all of the evidence, it's a far too complex issue to take lightly.
Liverpool are a fine football club, but please, have some dignity. It's hardly a surprise when an element of their support reacts in a certain manner when the club behaves in this way.
Even your ex-players are stuck in a time-warp. Dixons little look at Lineker says it all.....
Quote by nefccoloured is the idiot phrase, that's all. no ones saying he's racist I dont think
I dont think its an idiot phrase to be honest & if somebody of a different ethnic origin wants to get upset about it they really need to take a long hard look at themselves.
language changes. it's not an acceptable term any more. people can of course still say it but only a certain type of person would, I feel, insist on their right to do so
Great piece this in The Times from Tony Evans (Liverpool fan too).
I don’t know much about South American culture and slang. I do know, however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber.
That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles.
What have I learnt? Not much, but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur.
Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused.
Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence?
Well, the linguistic experts tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires.
The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy” by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused.
In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence?
There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s bloody stupid.
Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.
So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez.
It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong” ethic prevails.
If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October? It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man.
The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.”
Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now.
Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness.
Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself.
Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have.
This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead.
Quote by VasqueGreat piece this in The Times from Tony Evans (Liverpool fan too).
I don’t know much about South American culture and slang. I do know, however, a little about the mechanics of confrontation. Even at Sunday League level, I’ve had verbal spats and faced down opposition players from Everton Valley to East Los Angeles. As a fan, I’ve exchanged insults — and worse — with rival supporters from Trafford Park to the Tiber.
That’s just the football-related stuff. In real life, I’ve been in the middle of riots, squared up to police on picket lines and fought fascist bully-boys with bare knuckles.
What have I learnt? Not much, but enough to know that if I’m having a row with a black man and I make a reference to his colour, he’s going to think it’s a racist slur.
Luis Suárez, Liverpool Football Club and legions of their fans seem bewildered that the word negrito directed at a black man in the course of an argument would lead the individual concerned to assume that he had been racially abused.
Nobody would deny that the exchange between Suárez and Patrice Evra was acrimonious. Nobody would deny that the word negrito makes reference to blackness. So where are Suárez’s grounds for defence?
Well, the linguistic experts tell us that negrito is not a pejorative term. In fact, it appears that it is a friendly phrase in Hispanic culture. In one defence of the Liverpool striker, the writer talked of hearing a young, white woman with a dark complexion being referred to by the same term during a business transaction in Buenos Aires.
The problem with this is that Evra is not a young white woman, nor is he Hispanic. He is a short, black Frenchman, who, from his perspective, appears to have been called something akin to “little black boy” by someone he was having a row with. Suárez, quite clearly, was not being genial. He was winding up Evra on the pitch in the heat of a Liverpool v Manchester United game. No wonder the defender felt racially abused.
In September, a mere handful of Liverpool fans would have even heard the term negrito. Now they are experts in the semantics of Hispanic slang, describing in detail how it is a term of affection. Well, if Suárez was being affectionate to a United player during a game, the club should crack down on him. An eight-game ban? Surely that should be a sackable offence?
There are so many words in English, French and Spanish that can be used in a quarrel that referencing colour in any way seems at best ill-advised and at worst racist. Either way it’s bloody stupid.
Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.
So this unedifying spat continues with Liverpool supporters — almost to a man — behind Suárez.
It is embarrassing. Is it not possible for Liverpool fans to have some empathy with Evra? To see that he felt racially abused? Seemingly not in the pathetically tribal world of football, where basic decencies are thrown out the window and the “my club right or wrong” ethic prevails.
If it were all a cultural misunderstanding, why didn’t Liverpool nip it in the bud in October? It may be me, but once the word negrito cropped up I winced. I may be culturally naive, but it sounded ugly. It would sound worse to a black man.
The club should have put out a statement that read something like this: “Patrice Evra has alleged that Luis Suárez made racist remarks to him during the game at Anfield. Suárez denies this emphatically but has come to realise that it was easy for Evra to misunderstand the nuances of the Spanish phrase used and believe that he had been racially abused. Suárez would like to apologise unreservedly for any upset caused and make clear that he is against racism and discrimination in all its forms. It was a poor choice of words in the context but any student of South American culture will explain it has no racial overtones. In future, Liverpool Football Club will issue its players with a set of guidelines as to what is acceptable and not acceptable.”
Effectively, just say sorry, I didn’t mean that, I feel a bit stupid now.
Suárez is not a racist but he has been a fool. The trick is not to compound foolishness.
Instead, Liverpool put out a statement that threw the blame back at Evra, then gave us the risible sight of Suárez warming up at the DW Stadium before the Wigan Athletic match in a T-shirt supporting himself.
Pointing the finger at Evra is shameful. It can only harden the FA’s determination to make its point. And despite the more rabid conspiracy theorists, this is a battle that the FA would rather not have.
This situation — along with the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand incident — has brought the game into disrepute and exposed racial fault lines in football and society that most thought had been buried forever. One look at the abuse that Stan Collymore — a former Liverpool forward — has been receiving shows that. Sadly, it looks like decency has been buried instead.
Sums it up for me.
GReat piece. HOw wrong Liverpool have got this is summed up by the fact they've made our board look like a class act in its handling.....which says a lot given we've been the heavyweight champions of cringeworthy board actions. to be honest, I've got to say, fergie has done them good an proper on this. He hung enough bait an watched KK and co bite like Fuck. Just wonder would pool have reacted the same if it wasn't Utd involved but a fulham or swansea.....
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
Quote by RamseesCFCGReat piece. HOw wrong Liverpool have got this is summed up by the fact they've made our board look like a class act in its handling.....which says a lot given we've been the heavyweight champions of cringeworthy board actions. to be honest, I've got to say, fergie has done them good an proper on this. He hung enough bait an watched KK and co bite like Fuck. Just wonder would pool have reacted the same if it wasn't Utd involved but a fulham or swansea.....
Yeah or imagine if it was Hernandez who'd said exactly the same thing to Glen Johnson, the Liverpool fans, and manager, would have the exact opposite opinion. Shameful that the vast majority of them are just making this a tribal affair. It's quite depressing reading the thread on this subject on RAWK (it's been locked now) and the fact that twenty or so United fans who tried to debate the issue were immediately banned.
"The nightmares invading the sleep of Bayern fans involve four horsemen of the Champions League Apocalypse riding towards them. As the faces come into focus, they will recognise Frank Lampard, Cole, Petr Cech and Drogba. All were immense..."
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